Message from @Deleted User

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2018-07-29 06:18:38 UTC  

Like in Hot Fuzz.

2018-07-29 06:18:40 UTC  

@GingaBomberto determine the degree

2018-07-29 06:18:53 UTC  

1st degree murder is premeditated murder

2018-07-29 06:18:57 UTC  

@GingaBomber It distinguishes between killing someone because you lost control of your car (accidental manslaughter) and intentionally chasing them down and killing them.

2018-07-29 06:19:07 UTC  

The latter is considered worse.

2018-07-29 06:19:10 UTC  

2nd degree is stuff like driving through people

2018-07-29 06:19:10 UTC  

If there were no hate crime laws all you'd need to do after killing someone is say "because I hate his race" and they'd have to let you go free, right

2018-07-29 06:19:18 UTC  

Or shooting someone by mistake

2018-07-29 06:19:25 UTC  

lol

2018-07-29 06:19:34 UTC  

It depends upon the state shiv

2018-07-29 06:19:35 UTC  

@Schedrevka no, hate crime laws are almost always just an amplifier on the punishment.

2018-07-29 06:19:46 UTC  

That's the joke

2018-07-29 06:19:54 UTC  

So if I kill a black guy

2018-07-29 06:20:04 UTC  

If I say nigger while doing it

2018-07-29 06:20:05 UTC  

Oh, sorry, I guess I got whoosed.

2018-07-29 06:20:09 UTC  

That means that'd be worse

2018-07-29 06:20:12 UTC  

Generally it goes Manslaughter aka accident, 2nd degree - heat of the moment, and 1st degree - premediatated

2018-07-29 06:20:21 UTC  

@Deleted User yes. Exactly how it works.

2018-07-29 06:20:22 UTC  

But if you kill someone of another race and say "I love you people btw" I think then they do actually have to let you go free

2018-07-29 06:20:27 UTC  

Than just killing him

2018-07-29 06:20:37 UTC  

So stupid

2018-07-29 06:21:24 UTC  

A hate crime+regular crime = double crime, but a love crime+regular crime = no crime

2018-07-29 06:21:30 UTC  

It's to deter racial violence. Stuff like street gangs and stuff

2018-07-29 06:21:32 UTC  

@Schedrevka *Kills a kraut*
"I love Nazis btw"
*Goes free*

2018-07-29 06:22:14 UTC  

Whoa, powerful

2018-07-29 06:22:33 UTC  

Which makes me wonder

2018-07-29 06:22:46 UTC  

Are hate crime laws a step towards Thought crime?

2018-07-29 06:23:24 UTC  

Like think about it

2018-07-29 06:23:35 UTC  

If I kill a black guy while reading huckleberry finn

2018-07-29 06:23:42 UTC  

Is that hate crime

2018-07-29 06:23:57 UTC  

Who decides if it's a hate crime

2018-07-29 06:24:22 UTC  

Or you support trump and kill a mexicn

2018-07-29 06:24:27 UTC  

That'a a big problem with it for sure, unless explicitly stated there's no way for anyone but the perpetrator to know.

2018-07-29 06:24:30 UTC  

Who decides the intent

2018-07-29 06:24:36 UTC  

Unless the culprit declares it, that is

2018-07-29 06:25:29 UTC  

Like even the grand dragon of the KKK can kill a black dude for reasons other than his race, but he'd likely still be slapped with those extra charges were that the case

2018-07-29 06:27:34 UTC  

Because someone else decided it for him

2018-07-29 06:27:43 UTC  

Or that he can easily lie about his intent

2018-07-29 06:28:06 UTC  

I honestly haven't heard of too many cases of hate crime supplements that didn't seem to have some kind of clean line.

2018-07-29 06:28:18 UTC  

Like, clearly racist posts on Facebook or something.

2018-07-29 06:28:22 UTC  

Basically the prosecution has to demonstrate its a hate crime