Message from @Scribblehatch

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2018-07-29 06:23:42 UTC  

Is that hate crime

2018-07-29 06:23:57 UTC  

Who decides if it's a hate crime

2018-07-29 06:24:22 UTC  

Or you support trump and kill a mexicn

2018-07-29 06:24:27 UTC  

That'a a big problem with it for sure, unless explicitly stated there's no way for anyone but the perpetrator to know.

2018-07-29 06:24:30 UTC  

Who decides the intent

2018-07-29 06:24:36 UTC  

Unless the culprit declares it, that is

2018-07-29 06:25:29 UTC  

Like even the grand dragon of the KKK can kill a black dude for reasons other than his race, but he'd likely still be slapped with those extra charges were that the case

2018-07-29 06:27:34 UTC  

Because someone else decided it for him

2018-07-29 06:27:43 UTC  

Or that he can easily lie about his intent

2018-07-29 06:28:06 UTC  

I honestly haven't heard of too many cases of hate crime supplements that didn't seem to have some kind of clean line.

2018-07-29 06:28:18 UTC  

Like, clearly racist posts on Facebook or something.

2018-07-29 06:28:22 UTC  

Basically the prosecution has to demonstrate its a hate crime

2018-07-29 06:28:35 UTC  

It's not an easy bar either iirc

2018-07-29 06:28:38 UTC  

Burden of proof and innocent until proven guilty

2018-07-29 06:28:52 UTC  

But then you're prosecuting someone for making racist posts on facebook, not for actually committing a hate crime.

2018-07-29 06:28:56 UTC  

No, intent is one of the most difficutl bars in the entire judical system

2018-07-29 06:28:56 UTC  

I love, love, love Blackstone.

2018-07-29 06:29:12 UTC  

Someone can be racist against someone and commit a non-racially motivated crime against them

2018-07-29 06:29:31 UTC  

It's such a smart way of putting it. It gets exactly the response you hope for

2018-07-29 06:29:46 UTC  

"--Well in that case... Let's figure out the whole EVIDENCE and SLEUTHING bit."

2018-07-29 06:29:49 UTC  

Yes!!

2018-07-29 06:29:51 UTC  

Perfect!

2018-07-29 06:30:37 UTC  

@Schedrevka they have to commit a separate crime first. And it usually is something violent like assault.

2018-07-29 06:30:39 UTC  

I've quoted Blackstone's Formulation out of context. As in.. not telling them a smart old guy in a big stupid wig said it.

2018-07-29 06:30:47 UTC  

And they treat me like I'm fucking crazy. Until I show them the image.

2018-07-29 06:30:53 UTC  

"Oh--.. WELL STILL THO.."

2018-07-29 06:30:58 UTC  

Spineless fools.

2018-07-29 06:31:03 UTC  

But then you're still slapping them with additional charges over facebook posts.

2018-07-29 06:31:22 UTC  

Thought crime....

2018-07-29 06:32:31 UTC  

It has to be related to the crime too.

2018-07-29 06:32:54 UTC  

If I say "I'm gonna kill a spook tonight"

2018-07-29 06:33:01 UTC  

And then kill a black person

2018-07-29 06:33:13 UTC  

That's just first degree murder

2018-07-29 06:34:05 UTC  

Saying it might be second degree

2018-07-29 06:34:29 UTC  

A good lawyer might be able to argue you were emotionally driven/impuslive

2018-07-29 06:34:52 UTC  

But planning to murder someone without any intent aside from that would be 1st degree

2018-07-29 06:35:19 UTC  

"My client just really *really* wanted to kill a spook that night."

2018-07-29 06:37:21 UTC  

Alright I've been drawing literally all day while keeping Tim in the background listening. I just joined this server today.

2018-07-29 06:37:28 UTC  

If I wanted to post the art, which would be the best channel..?

2018-07-29 06:38:01 UTC  

Shitposting I guess