Don't harm innocent trees that is very rude

That was one of their main talking points against communism back when the Soviet union was still around.

@>Cytos, de lieve goede synth ur rude dood

aite this tree's gonna get it now

What country has a free market and an authoritarian regime?

@Ace K But you have to admit things have liberated a good deal since the Soviet Union, at the very least.

China, for the record, is a command economy

The same country that has a fucntional socalist government

*carves a "i heart philosophical hirarchies" in a tree with a lil heart around it*

@Beemann UK has an Authoritarian Regime and free(ish) Market.

UK is by definition neither of those things

ähm.....

They seem to jail people they don't like

Well with Xi Jinping in command, those liberations might be gone, since he seems to be very intent on echoing Mao Zedong

"Juan Linz's influential 1964 description of authoritarianism[2] characterized authoritarian political systems by four qualities:

Limited political pluralism, that is such regimes place constraints on political institutions and groups like legislatures, political parties and interest groups;

A basis for legitimacy based on emotion, especially the identification of the regime as a necessary evil to combat "easily recognizable societal problems" such as underdevelopment or insurgency;

Minimal social mobilization most often caused by constraints on the public such as suppression of political opponents and anti-regime activity;

Informally defined executive power with often vague and shifting powers.[3]"

unless we go full ANCAP there is no such thing as a totally free market @Beemann , but its plain to see China has turned more towards free market and benefitted because of it

Yes, and it will continue to benefit the more free it becomes

@Ace K But he's getting pushback. One big change since the days of Mao is that the party does opinion polls and tries to manage it by following the population.

ok so we agree on this much

well within reason, im not for ANCAP lol

But I doubt we'll have a free market and a stable authoritarian govt in China

but yes in reference to china

I tend to see totally free markets and communism as basically two sides of the same dream coin: Awesome ideas in theory, but impossible to implement in practice because it doesn't factor in humans.

A free market is incredibly easy to implement

You just probably won't like what's being sold in some corners

i think the only debate in which communism might even be interesting is post-scarcity, but thats a sci-fi, startrek etc society that doesn't and may never exist

The PRoblem is the monopolization of a totally free market and how some big compnays will kick everys competition out

@Ottobon It won't. Post-scarcity is basically a contradiction.

I'm not convinced that's an issue with the market as much as market meddling

Furthermore, people are greedy.

Tbh

anyway im off to bed

DM me any more moral absolute truths you acn think of beemann

i relish the oppertunity to break down your moral system brick by brick

That's why we need friend computer to run our communist utopia

❤ you

All my moral truths are absolute ;)

@pratel maybe, doesn't make it not fun to think about though

I WILL MAKE YOU AGREE THAT SOME OF YOUR SYSTEMS ARE BASED ON THE "IRRATIONAL" SYSTEM OF BELIEF AND FAITH

(according to my wide definition of faith)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/07/18/the-free-market-is-an-impossible-utopia/?utm_term=.49981193215b An interesting piece if anyone wants to read it

THEY'RE FRICKIN' LAUGHING FOR CHRIST'S SAKE

I have to head off anyway, going to see a movie. See yah.

Fuck the washington compost

GODDAMN YOU ALL

Pay walled

what am i saying some

i mean ALL

lmao

@Beemann https://outline.com/aCw7s3

Try this, it's what I use to bypass some paywalls

https://web.archive.org/web/20180701032040/https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/07/18/the-free-market-is-an-impossible-utopia/

HAX ^ ^

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe

i have them blocked in my hosts file. i have to read them this way.

@Ace K cool link bro never heard of outline

Danke
>land and labour are a result of government
You've lost me

@Atkins smart

It's an impenetrable defense against clickbait.

"while it fiercely represses the fact that power and coercion are the unacknowledged features of all market participation." Wew

We getting a little socialist rhetoric in here

Yeah, and the funny thing is that you can make the same argument for Socialism. "Power and Coercion" are universal.

It's a new rallying cry to make economic authoritarianism as more "free"

It is fact comrade. You would not be arguing with fact, no?

I think tim got the race realism stuff wrong.

It just means that you accept that *on average* there are differences between racial groups.

For example: If you accept that Blacks have *on average* darker skin tones than whites, you're a race realist.

Thing is what you do after that. And my reaction woudl be "yes, and?"

Whatever you believe I think academia is at fault for not being honest about this sort of shit for so long relegating all of these sorts of discussions away from the venues where they could be had responsibly

People usually use RR in re: to IQ

True but that shouldn't be a reason to stop reasearching this shit.

and one of those things is to research why there are differences or not...

Sure

Part of it is testing itself. I got to mess with an ethnonat at one point via the Flynn Effect

Agreed.

and why do we even care about that race shit??

especially why protect people for their behaviour?

Some people can not see beyond Race.

Yes and?

And people are stupid

But not me, I'm the only non-stupid person in existence. You can trust me on this because I'm smart.

Its one thing to talk shit about races another is to act on it.

So again, we are at the Thoughtcrime level here.

To quote Dracula (1929) They're crazy, they are all crazy, except me and you. And some times I have me doubts about you..."

@Schedrevka *tips fedora* ah I see you are an enlightened individual like myself

In response to the "Vox Argues..." Timcast video: The "you oppose us and you are on the right" has been an argument used in sociology circles for as long as I've been around. If you read any of those journals you'll see the "right-wing" adjective thrown around everywhere.

It's hardly new.

https://youtu.be/F9b76RWM7qE?t=51s

It just wasn't mainstream.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=665wQwXkq6M

China should be sanctioned

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/08/31/ford-focus-active-canceled-tariffs/

actually - I don't see how germany has not placed sanctions on China yet

if you think a country is so dangerous that you cannot send chinese citizens to china for fear of government opressing them - then how is it moral to continue trading with them

China must fall

Because we in the west live with an incredibly comfortably priced goods thanks to cheaper & under regulated labor produced in Asia & Africa, & we are willing to let it slide...

da, I'm not sure that view is completely accurate

let me find something

correct, the market would stablize without cheap labor

it would force other improvements to technology and research to counteract those