He's not even saying nihilism is a good world view dude. All he's doing is trying to explain what it actually is about

I do think a lot of people give nihilists the treatment atheists get from religious folk. "What's stopping you from being HitlerSatan tho lol"

I'm working on it man, cut me a break

well what do you expect, you trew out the hirarchy of ethical philosophical principals when you stated they all equally worthless

That doesn't turn you into a dictator though

In fact, dictators have strong value systems

That's why they're dictators

even tho no nihilists actually live their lives like all phylosophical principals are equal

"A business donated to a pro business party! this is a betrayal!"

How couldn't they?

but if you take em on their words, then ye

Moral relativism isn't that uncommon

ofc it issnt, different situations require different morals

So you don't believe in an objective ethics system?

but just cause the hirarchy is flexible and changable, doesnt meant there issnt a hirarchy

See I'm actually on the other side of this

I do think there are moral absolutes

also i dont think anyone can believe in an objective ethics system

there is a faith assumption at the bottom every time

you just gotta keep digging

See and I am willing to accept that people don't think the same way I do

oof tabula rasa

I could exactly see how someone might view things from a purely subjective lens

No, blank slate has nuffin to do wiv it

so there is a fundamental architecture that supports our thinking then?

with a subconscious

which provides us with things sans reason

which we thus gotta take on faith

I think there's a set of moral values that produce better results, and that these are our moral absolutes

even theough the underlying systems are evolutionarilly supported

Not everyone does, and that's not tabula rasa

I think its safe to say that SJW is a necessity in China

Wot

Watched Tim's video on what China is doing to it's Uyghur Muslims

The sad part is that this is basically common knowledge, as the Chinese government is doing the same thing to it's Tibetan population

Right but I don't see why China needs communists and Twitter activists as a result

i betya you can not give me a single moral absolute, to use your term, that absolutely produces better results

I would absolutely argue that free speech does this

if such a thing was possible, it would be baked into out brain, as hardcoded as our heartbeat

the counter to free speech is the numerousness of unwilling to learn ignorant masses

The fucked up part is that nobody cares about the (non violent?) Tibetans but cares about the violent Muslims.

@Ace K i think i know what you mean, but "SJW" in the colloquial speak isn't what you meant

That's not how evolution works

*notes the trend towards liberalization from authoritarianism across history*
Ok

But most of the Uyghurs aren't even terrorists Stefan

(btw i think the unwilling to learn ignorant masses results are worth the price of free speech, its just not absolutely true)

I mostly referring to what is the today's term for SJW, which is basically a catchall for people with leftist leaning and progressive viewpoints

People do care about the Tibetians. But they aren't getting as much attention at the moment because they're not fighting as hard. Remember all the fights during the Beijing Olympics?

its only true when the damage is less then free speech is worth

Engineer, do we have any goddamned twitter shout-outs to give out?

I don't think China needs western progs either, tbh

@Ace K i think you are looking for better human rights, not SJWs

I would say the net result is positive either way, Cytos

no one needs these SJW types, which is why they gotta create their own demand

Indeed, Ottobon, I mispoke so I apologize.

i think most would argue SJW and actual Social Justice has parted ways decades ago

you can claim the result trends to a positive result sure

i agree with that

but its not always true

Social Justis is not possible!

not absolutely

I would disagree

Because people are different.

Re: cytos, not re SJ

Really, the issue is far larger. No amount of "human rights" is really going to resolve the core issue in China.

The two groups are *really* distinct.

Remember the 80's, when so many conservatives and neoliberals claim that implementing capitalism will allow people to transition to democracy and human rights? Boy were they wrong.

and yeah pratel

you cant imagine a situation where someones free speech causes an injustice?

That's why I am supportive of the two groups having their own nations

which would make it non absolute

nO

I can't imagine free speech producing a worse society

ye but you talking averages again

@Ace K OK, but that's really distinct from needing Social Justice running around.

absolute means something else i think

I can imagine someone using their speech to cause injustice, but that's not the free speech itself causing it

@>Cytos, de lieve goede synth LOok at the Media how they portrayed the Chemnits Demonstrations.

"The democrats have gone nuts"
"Donald Trump was an improvement"
"...they're socialists, they're communists, they really do hate America" - Tim Pool, far right commentator

True Pratel, like I said earlier, I mispoke and messed up on what I was saying, so I apologize.

Me right now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFkAAvDkj9k

so i still stand by my possition, there is no moral code that is absolutely true

@Ace K how were they wrong? capitalism helped the average quality of life and although there are still tyrannical institutions generally this increase the outlook towards liberty/democracy people eventually look towards even if they live in a tyrannical society

in every situation, at all times

just codes that are on avergage more true then others

How very nihilistic of you

@Ace K Adding to what Ottobon is saying, there's a distinct subculture in China right now among the young that's very different.

It should be allowed to criticize the State and Religions but at the same time it should not be allowed to outright lie about a person.

the opposite actually schedrevka

i believe in philosophical hyrarchies

nihilists do not

I'm just messing around

i just believe they are flexible as frik

o i kno, no hard feels to any in this chat

They went above and beyond that though in their predictions @Ottobon , they claimed that capitalism would end authoritarian and totalitarian regimes.

unless you wana call me RUDE

THEN IMA CUT A BIRCH

The Nazi Riot in Chemnitz is the best example. Because there were no Nazis and I didn't see a riot. It was a protest by normal persons.

well if one was expecting instant results that would be foolish ace

Where hasn't it?