Message from @Ace K
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@>Cytos, de lieve goede synth ur rude dood
aite this tree's gonna get it now
What country has a free market and an authoritarian regime?
@Ace K But you have to admit things have liberated a good deal since the Soviet Union, at the very least.
China, for the record, is a command economy
The same country that has a fucntional socalist government
*carves a "i heart philosophical hirarchies" in a tree with a lil heart around it*
@Beemann UK has an Authoritarian Regime and free(ish) Market.
UK is by definition neither of those things
ähm.....
They seem to jail people they don't like
Well with Xi Jinping in command, those liberations might be gone, since he seems to be very intent on echoing Mao Zedong
"Juan Linz's influential 1964 description of authoritarianism[2] characterized authoritarian political systems by four qualities:
Limited political pluralism, that is such regimes place constraints on political institutions and groups like legislatures, political parties and interest groups;
A basis for legitimacy based on emotion, especially the identification of the regime as a necessary evil to combat "easily recognizable societal problems" such as underdevelopment or insurgency;
Minimal social mobilization most often caused by constraints on the public such as suppression of political opponents and anti-regime activity;
Informally defined executive power with often vague and shifting powers.[3]"
unless we go full ANCAP there is no such thing as a totally free market @Beemann , but its plain to see China has turned more towards free market and benefitted because of it
Yes, and it will continue to benefit the more free it becomes
@Ace K But he's getting pushback. One big change since the days of Mao is that the party does opinion polls and tries to manage it by following the population.
ok so we agree on this much
well within reason, im not for ANCAP lol
But I doubt we'll have a free market and a stable authoritarian govt in China
but yes in reference to china
I tend to see totally free markets and communism as basically two sides of the same dream coin: Awesome ideas in theory, but impossible to implement in practice because it doesn't factor in humans.
A free market is incredibly easy to implement
You just probably won't like what's being sold in some corners
i think the only debate in which communism might even be interesting is post-scarcity, but thats a sci-fi, startrek etc society that doesn't and may never exist
The PRoblem is the monopolization of a totally free market and how some big compnays will kick everys competition out
I'm not convinced that's an issue with the market as much as market meddling
Furthermore, people are greedy.
Tbh
anyway im off to bed
DM me any more moral absolute truths you acn think of beemann
i relish the oppertunity to break down your moral system brick by brick
That's why we need friend computer to run our communist utopia
❤ you
All my moral truths are absolute ;)
I WILL MAKE YOU AGREE THAT SOME OF YOUR SYSTEMS ARE BASED ON THE "IRRATIONAL" SYSTEM OF BELIEF AND FAITH
(according to my wide definition of faith)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/07/18/the-free-market-is-an-impossible-utopia/?utm_term=.49981193215b An interesting piece if anyone wants to read it
THEY'RE FRICKIN' LAUGHING FOR CHRIST'S SAKE
I have to head off anyway, going to see a movie. See yah.