o i kno, no hard feels to any in this chat

They went above and beyond that though in their predictions @Ottobon , they claimed that capitalism would end authoritarian and totalitarian regimes.

unless you wana call me RUDE

THEN IMA CUT A BIRCH

The Nazi Riot in Chemnitz is the best example. Because there were no Nazis and I didn't see a riot. It was a protest by normal persons.

well if one was expecting instant results that would be foolish ace

Where hasn't it?

Don't harm innocent trees that is very rude

That was one of their main talking points against communism back when the Soviet union was still around.

@>Cytos, de lieve goede synth ur rude dood

aite this tree's gonna get it now

What country has a free market and an authoritarian regime?

@Ace K But you have to admit things have liberated a good deal since the Soviet Union, at the very least.

China, for the record, is a command economy

The same country that has a fucntional socalist government

*carves a "i heart philosophical hirarchies" in a tree with a lil heart around it*

@Beemann UK has an Authoritarian Regime and free(ish) Market.

UK is by definition neither of those things

ähm.....

They seem to jail people they don't like

Well with Xi Jinping in command, those liberations might be gone, since he seems to be very intent on echoing Mao Zedong

"Juan Linz's influential 1964 description of authoritarianism[2] characterized authoritarian political systems by four qualities:

Limited political pluralism, that is such regimes place constraints on political institutions and groups like legislatures, political parties and interest groups;

A basis for legitimacy based on emotion, especially the identification of the regime as a necessary evil to combat "easily recognizable societal problems" such as underdevelopment or insurgency;

Minimal social mobilization most often caused by constraints on the public such as suppression of political opponents and anti-regime activity;

Informally defined executive power with often vague and shifting powers.[3]"

unless we go full ANCAP there is no such thing as a totally free market @Beemann , but its plain to see China has turned more towards free market and benefitted because of it

Yes, and it will continue to benefit the more free it becomes

@Ace K But he's getting pushback. One big change since the days of Mao is that the party does opinion polls and tries to manage it by following the population.

ok so we agree on this much

well within reason, im not for ANCAP lol

But I doubt we'll have a free market and a stable authoritarian govt in China

but yes in reference to china

I tend to see totally free markets and communism as basically two sides of the same dream coin: Awesome ideas in theory, but impossible to implement in practice because it doesn't factor in humans.

A free market is incredibly easy to implement

You just probably won't like what's being sold in some corners

i think the only debate in which communism might even be interesting is post-scarcity, but thats a sci-fi, startrek etc society that doesn't and may never exist

The PRoblem is the monopolization of a totally free market and how some big compnays will kick everys competition out

@Ottobon It won't. Post-scarcity is basically a contradiction.

I'm not convinced that's an issue with the market as much as market meddling

Furthermore, people are greedy.

Tbh

anyway im off to bed

DM me any more moral absolute truths you acn think of beemann

i relish the oppertunity to break down your moral system brick by brick