@matthias09 the reality is if we could get girls to send us nudes as easy as she could get dick pics we would be swimming in them

@matthias09 they are basically just big children, if you refuse to recognize that they will endlessly dissapoint you

@matthias09 is she flerting with you or not?

the thing is she is interested in me but im questioning her character and for the most part she seems decent ...... the only questionable thing is if a dude sends her dick pics she dosent stop them she to some level even tho small encourages it but she said if she has a bf she would never do that .basically saying shed stop if i want to be with her

but im jus saying thats

a questionable action

of attention whoring to a large extent

but i might jsut have my standards to high

Whats the physical distance between you two?

idk 1 hr drive

@matthias09 feminism calls those dick pics empowerment, how dare you shame that girl, lol

Ask her out then. Just to make sure. And keep your redpill knowledge in sight

again i will say i rather have no female than one who will cause me problems ..so do u think that is a problematic behavior ?

Yes, reciving willingly dick picks is a red flag.

But then again, being a female is a red flag.

@matthias09 but seriously society has removed all shame from this type of behavior in women so you can't even blame her for it specifically but you have to be aware that this is what 2018 entails

Nah, you can blame her.

@Reaper agree, thats why angry incel must tame her

Just because society welcomes being an annoying feminist cunt, we don't accept it, do we?

because she would have me all the way fucked up if im working or whatever and shes just busy attention whoring for pics

hell nah

@matthias09 do you want to bang her or not?

@matthias09 To begin with, do you really want a woman that much and what for?

@matthias09 I mean you have the knowledge bro, I would suggest if you want it bad enough you keep acting the way you are cause that's obviously what attracted her and if you want to hit it then take on that boyfriend title temporarily and survey her behavior

my general stance on life is that having a good woman in your life makes it better but having those "modern women" only makes it worse , so im perfectly happy being single but if along the way i meet someone who wont bring mayhem into my life i will consider them otherwise they will get the boot

@matthias09 if you already imagine yourself getting too emotional about a bad outcome I would steer clear

So you are a blowjob away from not being a MGTOW, got you.

@matthias09 sounds like you need to come to terms with the fact that "good women" have gone the way of the dinosaur

@InstallGentoo I believe you may be on to something

Ah yes... The fear of retuning to the plantation....

Just a reminder there is no "modern women". The problem is not feminism. It is women. Female nature is a constant. If you want to go with a woman that much, your problem, but I would tell you to not trust the people that tell you to just accept that she is willingly getting dick pics as acceptable behaviour, just because it is current year.

i mean its like no one read the last part of what i said im perfectly happy being single

You know what? @matthias09, go for it. If you get burned, you will return as a more powerfull mgtow.

If you were perfectly happy being single, you would be looking around at women and wonder if it is okay to waifu them if they really stop recieving damn dick pics.

@matthias09 it's cause we all had a time when we would talk about potential love interests like you are, and it was not when we were happy to be single, not meaning to be judgemental though

i mean i aint chasing her shes chasing me she wants the relationship but i can see where u are coming form

@matthias09 the thing is, hard facts even if she stops receiving the D pics chances are it will start back up in a few month once she has convinced you to work more hours to get that promotion and you inevitably walk in on her fucking Chad or Tyrone and she tells you it cause you didn't spend enough time with her

1 hour drive, huh? Try to see if she would visit you.

That really proves nothing, though.

@Reaper i cant argue with that lmao

Point is, that if you want to be with a woman, you are going to have to play such mind games with her for the rest of your relationship with her.

@matthias09 receiving dick pics means she's a player in the game, and that game unfortunately is rigged in her favour

Really? If she would be the one that keeps calling to come to see her I would pass

I had a GF that was always pestering me to visit her. Always!

Never again

i mean yeah i guess i gotta give her the boot @InstallGentoo because she does shit test a lot

but yeah imma just ghost her

bad idea

Bad idea until you meet the next one and justify her.

Shit test a lot?! Now you're telling this?!

@Kazemaru exactly what I was thinking

Shit test + dick pics = a bridge too far

I retrieve what I said. Kick her!

in my last relationship my ex used to have a lot of random attitudes and say shit to try to get to me ... and i would just reply in a way to shut them down

so this girl she does the same

and i just automatically reply

in a way to shut her down

it dosent annoy me really

but yeah

ill give her the boot

@matthias09 again I gotta go with tfm on this if you want it just get in line (to the front asap if possible) get on the roller-coaster and just enjoy the ride knowing it will be a short one

nah shes getting the boot dw about it

i would say im bout 4-6 months into MGTOW after a 4 yr relationship ended ..... people here on average have been mgtow for longer or shorter ?

All over the place.

I would qualify myself as an all-lifer, thanks to my single mother mostly probably. But also never had much interest in any girls, because none fo them seemed descent.

what is meant by "thanks to my single mother" ?

Well of course many people go the other way, always loving women, because they were raised by one. I grew up with her and my grandmother and I got to see how disgusting they were since the beginning.

I was alway kinda into girls, but after getting red pulled I see all the problems with them and im@just gonna keep to myself

I mean, I fap a lot probably since secnd grade, so I do have the sexual drive and I get sexually excited by women, but as humans, they are just not worth at all.

i mean thats pretty accurate of most men

they just wanna smash

they dont really care about personality or whatever

It’s either cohabitants with a person who really only likes you for your money, probably will cheat on you or look into other bonds like comradery which are based on repect, memories, other a friend ships stuff I can’t name cuz I just woke up

@matthias09 Yeh guys just wanna smash, that’s because the way the relationship dynamic works is women want a man for the provision (money) and men wanna woman for sex, that’s just how the relationship works between the sexes in nature you can apply this to every sexually binary species of animal on earth

Yeah..everyone knows that too but doesn't say or act like it

Even BP men really just want sex, but they pretend it isn't about sex

Yeh, like I remember tfm once said feminism is a ploy to extract men’s money through the government so they don’t have to be attractive, a pleasant person, or respect men to get what they want from them (not his exact words$

That sounds insane

idk what to make of that if that's true

but true...

Well feminism did that, through the welfare system

I know institutions and systems love feminism. Makes sense actually

And letting girls get jobs with a million different kinds of paid leave

And the whole metop thing just results in women collecting money through lawsuits

Really all the men are disposable commodities only to keep the system in place. Feminism, and women are an almost failproof tool as long as men keep chasing women

it's a hypergamy/dominance war based on the 3 g's, 3f's, n 3s's....

Yeh which is why mgtow is a threat to feminism

But even MGTOWs aren't competely safe though because of metoo shit. Metoo will probably backfire on women though

Men won't want to mentor women, etc

Gynecentrism only works in. Species where females are biologically on par (like in birds) or stronger then the males (spiders), but humans are not that, men are superior biologically to girls,
So it has to be forced by something higher then men, and feminism@did that through the government

And they can subject men to the tools they’ve created unless we just don’t walk into their trap and stand over here away from them in mgtow

What. Society was always gynocentristic in nature. Maybe in different scales, but always.

No, up until the suffragettes we were patriarchal

Dude.

Gynocentrism is not matriarchy.

every civ went down to a gynocentric cycle regardless of gov or culture type....

In the older times women were controlled by men and viewed as commodities

This was in order for the men to create warriors to protect their countries

This was like shield and sword days

Gynocentrism is like covert form of matriarchy

Yet at the same it's not really a matriarchy

no... it is simply the natural behavioural push of female nature...

Even in primitive tribes, men would hunt and fend off predators to protect the women who would be pregnant basically all the time meaning they couldn’t protect themselves and the women would provide the resource of baby making

@VenomousHawk86 Women had value, but it was for reproduction. The strong men in those tribes had to protect them because women were a valuable resource

Genocentrism is the nature of both women and even more importantly even men to care more about women's safety and well being. This has been true for all throug human history. And there are somewhat reasons for that.
Basically, there you go @VenomousHawk86 as you just said yourself. So the claim we have become gynocentristic, because of feminism is kind of silly.

Well that's how they saw them.

But that doesn't necessarily mean they were exempt from love hormones either

they saw them as a valuable possession worth caring for and defending... just like territory and social position

There you go

Pretty much that. Today women have more power than men and abuse it

that always happens towards the end of a civs cycle

Nothing wrong with power, but it needs to be used responsibly. Freedom needs to be used responsibly as well, so when all you guys are rich, be wise with your freedom

@ziyauren Are you referring to US, or any first world country?

I am referring to every civiliation that has ever existed,... human that is

Because the US is one of the youngest countries. I know that years ago Greece went through some shit and crashed. They say Greece got too soft before they crashed

the us is jus a part of western civ

At the time I think Greece was a young country

The soft societies were spoiled by the older generations who went through some shit and were tough mentally and physically

so far it has been the babylonians, mediteranian, mid east, egyptian, greek, roman, and now western civ... its just our turn

Yeah...we're getting mighty close too

@InstallGentoo no gynecentrism isn’t just because we protect women, a farmer protects their cows because they give him milk, gynecentrism would be men worshipping women because they have a pussy, farmer don’t worship their cows because they have udders?

it isn't about worship... it's about natural behaviour and its outcomes

@matthias09 Was she at least good looking?

On a 1.0-10.0 scale, to the decimal.

Without makeup.

she isnt a 10/10 but she reasonable 6.5 to 7 but she dosent wear makeup

hum, resource hogs. They underappreciate a man unless he has resources.

Imagine that...She's about a 7 and she's getting that much attention

@VenomousHawk86 Defending is just part of it, but there is a difference between the caw and "women in children first". The men on the titanic weren't dying, because they wanted to protect their female property.

Imagine what an 8-10 gets

Was the sex worth it or is she a typical "lay" there and don't move.

a better analogy would be in patriarchy men protect women so they can reproduce with them and make babies, a farmer protects cows so he can milk them@and make money. In gynecentrism males protect and prove themselves to be great providers so that women may consider reproducing with them and make babies, a farmer that protects and worships his cows so that they may consider giving him milk to make money is t a very good farmer

they don't appreciate men at all... hypergamy is only about the resources and protection he provides...

I think it's smart to go for more average women

But even average women are bombarded

average women r jus as hypergamous... it's instinct

@Sigma Like my dad use to say. Fuck dimes (10's) and marry Nickels (5's)

i blocked and deleted her contact info and she dosent know where i live so its all good

@Knight of Sunlight smart man

He knew some shit

if they show signs of taking your freedom jus walk away...

to bad the sexual market collapsed in the usa before the housing bubble popped

Unless female nature is suppressed, we arent safe from being subjected to hypergamy

Dude, dating and the sexual market is a fucking nightmare in 2018

Yeh the 80/20 rule

yea

both female and male nature need suppression for civ to work... it jus need the right balance...

when it gets unbalanced civ dies...

80/20 rule applies to so many things, it's scary

We need the artificial womb, with the A womb their are no need for gender relation in the pursuit of replecating society, thus abolishing patriarchy, and gynecentrism

Didn't China do something with genetically modded humans? I scrolled by an article about something like that recently

@VenomousHawk86 not that simple but ur on the right track...

China will fuck it up... they r tradcons in their own way...

even though i think in the sexual market place women do some fucked up things .....i think in the area of children women are most important for nurturing like u need the mix of male and female influence

to raise a proper child

I agree with that

The schools are mostly female teachers though. I recently thought that we need more male teachers

actually after a kid is weaned the sex of the parent is inconsequential...

Balance is key in all things. Too many things are unbalanced

ergh i dont think so in single parent homes in almost every risk factor its worse than in homes with both parents

Balance is the 🔑

Single parent households don't do well

kids need close social contact for proper mental development until weaned... after that either sex can provide the needed environment...

actually if a man did it right he could replace the weaning process w//the same result...

technically there is nothing in human development that actually requires a female other than gestation and birth...

i am no expert in this field but women their high levels of estrogen the way it makes them act i do not think a man can replicate that .... again i am no expert so i could be wrong

the nursing and weaning process simply allow the appropriate neural development for socialization in later life...

@ziyauren you're actually right about that. A father can fulfill all motherly roles except birth, nursing, and being soft and snuggle... But a woman can barely accomplish fatherly roles

It's fun to theorize like that. We are influenced by emotions, behavior, and probably a bunch of other shit we don't know much about

that could, technically, be done w/out a woman

@matthias09 you're right, estrogen can't be replicated. But there's a reason men are XY and women don't have a Y

a bottle w/a great deal of social and physical contact could serve the same purpose

im not sure about it ill do some research about how children fare in single parent mothers vs father homes

Both fatherly and motherly (or male and female) traits reside in the male. In fact it's one reason why there are more males changing sex than female

So the male has the capacity to be a mother (except for birth and nursing) while the female doesn't have the capacity to be a father

the primary value of a natural womb is immune system related

im already getting some strong facts about that "2. Single fathers are more likely to be white, older, and somewhat better educated, compared to single mothers."

lmaoo

seems legit

also the 'other' factor in nursing

Furthermore, the NCFMR reports that single fathers are slightly more likely than single moms to have at least a bachelor’s degree (23% of single dads vs. 18% of single moms)

not much research on that in this culture but historcally boys were removed from mothers at a very early age and raised by fathers... no indication of harm in the process

it seems so far that single fathers are just more educated than mothers

Ohh shit, that's right @ziyauren

Rights of passage for boys to transition into men

the problem is fathers r so unlikely to get their kids in this culture u can't get an apples to apples study going...

Single fathers are far more patient with kiddies

Rights of passage isn't a thing anymore

theres not alot of data from single dads

because there isnt alot of them

it should be

relative to single moms

@Sigma "rites" not "rights" though you do have the right to undergo a rite

it is the first thing women took away from men

😂😂😂

Thank you @ValleyAnt

lol

Lol yw

I can't spell that well

<<<--- grammar police

It's all good

You caught me

lol

I always catch bad grammar

4.35% of children live with their fathers thats not the biggest but thats a reaonable sample size @shadowlessnexus

except mine

@matthias09 thats true. however gynocentrism wont let them anyway

Imagine how fucked up those moms were

giving the rite of passage back to boys would be a big and good first step...

because i fucking guarentee you they have. and the single dad was significantly bette

Military is probably the closest thing to that

no it is not

What would be the closest thing?

by that time in this culture the boys are already mangina's for the most part\

reducing emancipation and driviing to the age of 13... when they hit puberty

emancipated boys could decide if they wanted to b raised by mother or father

this isnt really relevant but a interesting fact that jordan peterson said its that children they learn sympathy not from the mother but the fathers ...............and it makes sense these women dont feel bad for fucked up actions they take

rites of passage historically occured at that age

it worked for every culture for thousands of yrs...... why r we diff?

13 is when boys hit puberty and want to become men...

Ethics? they don't want unfit boys to die

when civ dies it is the men and those boys who will do most of the dying.... give them a chance to die on their feet fighting for their freedom w/their dads...

Well sounds like we're fucked.

mgtow gives us the best chance

mgtow is jus the monastic solution that occurs at the end of every civ

I was under the impression that children can choose who they want to live with from age 12-14 depending on the state.

monastic jus means a group of men who refuse to b gynocentric..

u r wrong

they go by the age they can drive

in my lawyers words u can't stop them from going where they want after that anyway...

The child can choose but a judge can over rule it

not w/out invoking the states monopoly on force.... most won't if the child refuses

that is why my son is in this room now.... he refuses to go w/his mother and the cops won't make him either....

Well yea courts dont want to be the responsible party behind that decision.

he is only 10...

Unless there are some serious issues the court should rule in the childs favor.

In the State Of Texas the age is 12.

the child has far more power than most realize....

also... if the age of emancipation were 13 the women stand to gain much less from trying to get them...

🤔 Thinking about it if possible the father should have a psychologist testify that it could be harmful to young boys not to be with their fathers.

that is five yrs of child support jus gone.... hehe

Well that is an issue.

Those women definitely want that child support.

the moment my son showed a willingness to fight w/the cops n lawyers they backed off....

even tho it was her 'time' according to the court order they threatened to hit her with criminal trespass if she didn't leave.... lol

we r supposed to have split custody of alternating weeks... he had been here for 3 weeks now and nobody will touch him...

As long as you follow the law and had returned him at the appointed time you should be good.

she is supposed to pick up at my place.... she shows up and he refuses to go..... the sheriff comes and says his hands r tied and she has to leave...

THOT DESTROYED

he is getting his rite of passage... fighting gynocentrism in a fucked culture..lol