No, up until the suffragettes we were patriarchal

Dude.

Gynocentrism is not matriarchy.

every civ went down to a gynocentric cycle regardless of gov or culture type....

In the older times women were controlled by men and viewed as commodities

This was in order for the men to create warriors to protect their countries

This was like shield and sword days

Gynocentrism is like covert form of matriarchy

Yet at the same it's not really a matriarchy

no... it is simply the natural behavioural push of female nature...

Even in primitive tribes, men would hunt and fend off predators to protect the women who would be pregnant basically all the time meaning they couldn’t protect themselves and the women would provide the resource of baby making

@VenomousHawk86 Women had value, but it was for reproduction. The strong men in those tribes had to protect them because women were a valuable resource

Genocentrism is the nature of both women and even more importantly even men to care more about women's safety and well being. This has been true for all throug human history. And there are somewhat reasons for that.
Basically, there you go @VenomousHawk86 as you just said yourself. So the claim we have become gynocentristic, because of feminism is kind of silly.

Well that's how they saw them.

But that doesn't necessarily mean they were exempt from love hormones either

they saw them as a valuable possession worth caring for and defending... just like territory and social position

There you go

Pretty much that. Today women have more power than men and abuse it

that always happens towards the end of a civs cycle

Nothing wrong with power, but it needs to be used responsibly. Freedom needs to be used responsibly as well, so when all you guys are rich, be wise with your freedom

@ziyauren Are you referring to US, or any first world country?

I am referring to every civiliation that has ever existed,... human that is

Because the US is one of the youngest countries. I know that years ago Greece went through some shit and crashed. They say Greece got too soft before they crashed

the us is jus a part of western civ

At the time I think Greece was a young country

The soft societies were spoiled by the older generations who went through some shit and were tough mentally and physically

so far it has been the babylonians, mediteranian, mid east, egyptian, greek, roman, and now western civ... its just our turn

Yeah...we're getting mighty close too

@InstallGentoo no gynecentrism isn’t just because we protect women, a farmer protects their cows because they give him milk, gynecentrism would be men worshipping women because they have a pussy, farmer don’t worship their cows because they have udders?

it isn't about worship... it's about natural behaviour and its outcomes

@matthias09 Was she at least good looking?

On a 1.0-10.0 scale, to the decimal.

Without makeup.

she isnt a 10/10 but she reasonable 6.5 to 7 but she dosent wear makeup

hum, resource hogs. They underappreciate a man unless he has resources.

Imagine that...She's about a 7 and she's getting that much attention

@VenomousHawk86 Defending is just part of it, but there is a difference between the caw and "women in children first". The men on the titanic weren't dying, because they wanted to protect their female property.

Imagine what an 8-10 gets

Was the sex worth it or is she a typical "lay" there and don't move.

a better analogy would be in patriarchy men protect women so they can reproduce with them and make babies, a farmer protects cows so he can milk them@and make money. In gynecentrism males protect and prove themselves to be great providers so that women may consider reproducing with them and make babies, a farmer that protects and worships his cows so that they may consider giving him milk to make money is t a very good farmer

they don't appreciate men at all... hypergamy is only about the resources and protection he provides...