Look them up.

Throwing your life away on counter-productivity that does not benefit your life long-term. Relying on instant-gratification to pass you by. Laziness in a nutshell.

what if laziness is a myth tho

its your will to do what it is your doing

Who cares about future when they can just have fun.care-free? Even if they run out of money and can't maintain their house or a place to stay. That's neutral nihilism.

Some notable Hedonist philosophers: Hegesias the Death Persuader, Aristippus of Cyrene, Aristippus the Younger, Theodorus the Atheist, etc.

oh no.... its @Happy Humble Hermit

@Iheanacho Even a hedonist can create a calculus that will allow them to want a greater pleasure in the future than a less greater one in the present.

Research hedonism.

Some hedonists even believe that intellectual pursuits are quite pleasurable and make them consistent with the want of pleasure in life.

you know what's an anti hedonist film > HELL RAISER

lmao

What up homies

Sup.

Or is it perhaps the most hedonistic film ever especially if you are a masochist lol

true. that guy got every thing he wanted, until he was dragged to the other dimension . LOL.

lmao

Keep in mind, I'm not even a hedonist, per se. I'm skeptical even of pleasure.

never thought id hear that from a human. Skeptical of pleasure ? like Earned pleasure? Free Pleasure ?

All of it.

Even of the sensation, even orgasm.

All Pleasure ?? So is it your Pleasure to Escape Pleasure ??

Is it that I am escaping, or that I'm not convinced that pleasure is worth seeking?

For all that seek pleasure, could seek pain.

if its not worth Seeking, What is the Equivalent of pleasure Worth seeking in your value?

So does Pain Feel Good?

Its weird... the line between pleasure and pain becomes blurred.

Some people need to feel humiliated in order to achieve orgasm.

LOL, have you ever touched something hot and cold on metal, it gives you pain and relief at the same time, exactly what your talking about

Or if you have a sex fetish where you like you like to have your head squeezed by a woman's thighs because it makes you hard.

See this why I have focused most attention and support with the MGTOW community. They are more focused and more organized than nihilism and they seem to be only ones that will actually call out misandry and injustice indiscriminately, not just from feminists. Tell me what faction that is not a pro-feminist sanctuary will criticize traditionalists, particularly female ones?

It's just impossible for nihilism to do anything like that. Everyone is on their own - a free-for-all environment. No true allies.

Though, I've longed given up hope in allegiances and often fought my battles single-handedly.

I think that you may be arguing too strongly lol

... dude this is a general discord. anything goes man. HAHA

But I do still analyze and salvage info from all of these other movements.

Perhaps MGTOW, MRA and anything else thought of in the 2000+ years is simply not good enough.

MRM, not MRA.

And I am just saying in general my two-cents about nihilism and it's cons.

Perhaps we need simply newer and more radical ideas that can achieve what people want without the pitfalls of what has previously been theorized.

It's far from perfect, but it is necessary for me.

@Seven Of Swords , Pleasure is not just about sexual arousal pleasure tho. you could get pleasure from eating ice cream too

Perhaps the idea that things are necessary is yet another pitfall.

@ZODD But what about ice cream headaches?

i don't get those...

Well I do...

Air is necessary. You need that to breath. Would you rather stop breathing and drop dead?

They hurt like hell, but ice cream tastes very good

Exactly.

air's not a pleasure it's more innate

Clean air is a pleasure

@Iheanacho Just because you can die, it doesn't follow that it is necessary that you must live...

You really don't have to breath air...

As long as there is way for it to be possible that necessary circumstances can be different, its not the case that they are necessary.

And see, that is my problem with neutral nihilism. Too questionable and trivial. Progressive route is more focused. People there got their shite together and just stick to it.

Is it that they have their shit together, or just put up the illusion that they do?

One has to control all of these trivialities and focused mind.

How does that happen?

Through progression. Bite the bullet and take measures to benefit your own future. Oxygen is too obvious. Don't neglect it if you wish to live. I still want to live as I want to achieve my goals and maintain them.

Collect thoughts, define goals, and pursue them. Everything else shall resolve itself upon that path.

What if you prefer not to live, yet you don't want to die either?

The ol' classic trivial mind fuck.

To me, it sounds like you've been listening to too much Jordan Peterson lmao

I dislike Jordan Peterson.

Then why support is self-help nonsense about attempting to build a foundation for goals based upon nothing?

I am more of a trial-and-error person. self-educate, and improvise.

That approach may seem intuitive, yet is riddled with paradox.

i listened to jordan peterson , but because he is not of my generation, i cannot see what he sees, i love it when he makes people look stupid on youtube tho.

You guys should check out his talk with Philosopher David Benatar.

Benatar is an anti-natalist, and Peterson gets destroyed imo

@Seven Of Swords , your approach may be paradoxical , but your suffering is how you live. you can either improve it, or stick with whatchu got.

Have you heard of Samsara?

@Seven Of Swords Why not build from nothing? If everyone thought the same way, humanity would be extinct.

If I thought the way you did, I probably would have committed suicide a long time ago. That is why nihilism needs to be controlled to avoid drifting apart into the Void.

that could be a spicy meme right there

I'm not convinced that suicide is worth more than living. And on the flip side, I'm not convinced that living is worth more than committing suicide.

If any of you guys in chat rn need to be meme approved let me know

@Iheanacho How the hell can you build from nothing?

make a meme of that

Ditto.

@Seven Of Swords he's stating your nothing, so you can only go up from where you are now.

Y'all need to play some construction games, it really helps influence the nihilism premise. From nothing to something.

@ZODD How does one differentiate between nothing and something?

Fallout Shelter helps too. This War is Mine. Civilizations.

well, they can be the same thing

hmm...

something could be nothing, and nothing is something

Then how is anything else different from me if nothing cannot be distinguished from something?

stop fucking with me LOL

This problem gets brought up in Plato.

I don't think that it gets resolved in his dialogues, so I very much doubt that it will be solved by any of us in this server lmao

i don't know if its a problem but a puzzle of words definitely

Ok... how is a puzzle of words not a problem?

@Iheanacho Will the human species go extinct?

well yeah , its a situation that is unwelcome, a puzzle is more of an equation . but either way, i don't see it as an issue here on this discord.

Hmm.... So a problem is unwelcomed while a puzzle could be welcomed?

i never said the puzzle was welcomed, its just not relative to me

gotcha

too much critical thinking for today guys, Cya Later.

@Iheanacho Suggested that with my mindset that the human species would be extinct. My questions to this are three fold: 1) why does it matter if the human species goes extinct? 2) if the human species will go extinct anyway (as suggested by any biological understanding of life on the planet), what difference does it make between different types of nihilism if the outcome will be the same regardless? and 3) if not being born is better than being born, wouldn't extinction be preferable to species reproduction?

1). it does not have to matter to you, just focus on bettering your life.

2). Too obvious. One type delays the inevitable and expands their personal future, another stagnates and embraces extinction, and the final voluntarily accelerates it.

3). Overcome such irony. We need people to prosper, but it would help to have smart and caring people. A society full of toxics will make it easier for one to neglect it and leave it for death.