(DM) Thomas & Michael IN
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Just an idea I had that I wanted to run past you and see if it would be allowed. I was thinking of using roofing tar of some sort to cover the George Floyd BLM mural in Lafayette, IN - Previously visited by PF twice, defaced 5 times overall. White PF stenciling on or beside black tar would look sharp and be a big message. We have two guys in Lafayette now so it would be done fairly easily.
Last month the city had some sort of celebration of the mural and have repeatedly had priests bowing and lighting candles there.
What's the benefit of that over just hitting it harder with paint?
The last time we visited the site, we tossed a gallon of paint on it, quickly used a rollerbrush to spread across the wall, then did several stencils before being seen and confronted. Firefighters arrived in time to spray our work off completely.
The point of tar would be to make cleanup much more difficult, possibly impossible, perhaps forcing a removal of the thing. I've heard from others that the stuff would be insanely hard to remove.
Would it not be harder and more time consuming to apply?
After the last visit, the city placed a coat of anti-graffiti clear coat over the thing so additional paint layers are easier to remove.
Shouldn't be, but I wanted to know if something like this would be permitted if we can do it quickly and effectively.
What's the proposed method of application?
This is what I'd use. It's rubberized roofing cement. Sling a good amount onto wall using a large size trawl, spread out over area, bam. Extremely hard to remove once it seals to the surface. I would do a bit of practice before going out for the action. I would also research as much as I could about local laws to know the worst of what to expect if caught.
But besides that, I've had an order pending from the print shop for a couple months, is it possible to receive that at the December event or does it have to be mailed out?
Keep me posted as to your research and practice with this substance.
Orders will be given out at the event.
Requesting the removal of @PF-541378 when you have the chance.
It's been nearly 3 months since I received a message from him, and in the last message I received he told me he was facing several charges and had just been bailed out of jail.
Goodness. Why wasn't I told of this then?
It isn't as bad as it sounds, so I was hoping to hear from him sooner or later. I know he is a solid guy.
Long story short, his girlfriend's mother was physically abusing her, refusing to let her leave while he was outside. When someone opened up, he punched the mom to stop whatever was happening and the gf left to stay at his place.
He told me the mom was pressing charges but Marcus' mother is a lawyer so it should be over soon, but apparently not.
Even if she was in the act of video-captured murder, any man striking a woman is going to have a tough time in court. Hope he figures it out.
Unfortunately very true.
I'm sure you have your hands full, but I'd like to have a private call whatever night is convenient to discuss some matters of other Indiana members that you should be aware of.
Give me a summary, please.
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Could you grant @Ethan IN access to the Mumble server please?
I will send you a summary tomorrow.
Summary sooner, mumble later.
Regarding @Victor IN ... I nor anyone in PF saw anything from him in the months of being here prior to our intervention call with Billy IN, which for reference happened on October 10th.
As you may remember, Billy told us that Victor and himself were kicked out by Billy's mother and was unsure what Victor would do if not return to Tennessee. Well, I assumed he was gone and no longer with us because of this. Then, all the time later, as I'm headed towards the event, Ethan IN (Billy & Victor's friend) texts me that he (Ethan) just had a car wreck, cannot go to the event and that he doesn't know how Victor will get there now.
I realize that he has been here all of this time, -- FIVE months -- and has had zero presence whatsoever, and is now on the way to an event which we have been having meetings and meet ups to prep for. The next thing I hear about him is @Alan MI calling on Threema, as @ND - Ryan OH and I are entering Ohio, "hey can you guys come back and pick up Victor Indiana? His ride here is undriveable from last night." So, Victor was picked up by Oklahoma guys who passed through Indianapolis, and upon seeing that his only ride there was unusable, made no effort to contact anyone about any of the Indiana guys who were in the same parking lot with him all night. We didn't even know he was in Indiana, let alone at the march.
The Michigan guys ended up having to drive him somewhere in Ohio, give him money out of their own pockets for a hotel, food, and cigarettes, then have Adam IN drive 4 or so hours to deliver him to ME, where I had to drive 5 hours to get him to his drop off, costing me $30 in gas. Apparently he has DUI's which is why he couldn't get a rental home, and is too impoverished to have any money whatsoever for Ubers, let alone pay us back.
I messaged him some of my issues with what had transpired. He told me that until recently, he had no idea that PF members besides Billy were anywhere around the area. This is an obvious lie to save himself. He has been in our Indiana group chat since he joined which is fairly active. I planned one thousand percent to have him removed after I got him home. But after meeting and talking to him I discovered he isn't quite the retard his actions told me he was. I told him all of my concerns to which he owned up to, and promised to be communicative and active from here on out now that we are acquainted. He told me attending the event was like a religious experience. He seems actually quite knowledgeable about history and different ideologies. I told him I will give him another chance but from here on out he is either one of us or he's out. I gave him two packs of stickers from my promat order, he went out and did a sticker run a couple days later and has been responsive to all messaging since.
Regarding @Billy IN - I was very close to asking he be removed prior to meeting with Victor and him explaining some things to me. Since our call with him on October 10, he has become much more responsive to all messages, he has improved in joining meetings, and joined/was put into the fitness recovery program, albeit I'm told that he misses their meetings and is not very active there. He has not improved in activism and has had Two sticker runs since our call that I'm aware of, one of which I had to force him to do. He is full of excuses for continuously not being active and I honestly do not know how truthful any of it is. He did not attend the Ohio hike because Ethan's car broke down. He did not attend the DC march because he got a positive Covid result the day before the march. Ethan didn't come because he had a car wreck texting Billy while driving. Billy saying he can't do stickering because he's out of promat... I told these things to Victor, who assured me that they're all true. That Billy most likely had Covid for at least a week prior but had just then gotten the result, and that Ethan really did wreck trying to message them.
Another concern I've had is that I was made aware that Billy is a recurring guest on Matthew Heimbach's National Bolshevik podcast. It doesn't sit right with me that our guys associate with infamous anti-fascist, anti-racist, self proclaimed Communist figures who works with BLM. I listened to about an hour of one of these episodes in which Billy identifies as a Socialist and mocks anti-Communists/the JQ: "aw durrr it's aalll jews, jews are the only reason people want better material conditions its cuz a jewss". He has previously fought tooth and nail with Gerard and I that Jews had anything to do with the rise of Communism especially in the Russian Revolution. So, again, I told these concerns to Victor, saying that I don't want to split hairs over little differences of opinion, but I cannot tolerate anything that is opposed to the fundamentals of our movement or organization. He told me that he, Billy, and Ethan are all Nazbols, and that it does not conflict with our fundamentals and is its own type of Fascism. I told him I admittedly don't have that much knowledge about Strasserism/Nazbolism, and he said that they basically have different views especially regarding class, the economy and historical events.
He told me he's known Billy since they were kids and that even though Billy is retarded, he means well and his heart is in the right place and is definitely not a subversive element. He told me they are apparently friends with Heimbach in person and tried convincing me that he is trustworthy too, which I will never believe.
Victor also clarified that neither he nor Billy were kicked out of Billy's house, they left of their own choice because Billy's mom was strung out on drugs. I told him that one of Billy's conditions upon joining PF was for him to get transportation and it's been a year or so now and nothing has happened. He said that Billy's mom does absolutely nothing so Billy's money usually goes towards paying the utilities.
I will say that I believe Billy was indeed sick.
I spoke to him about that podcast and told him he needs to start phasing himself away from that, and the Active Club thing if he's going to stick around. The niche little socialist views are honestly incidental in my opinion, and entirely something that will fade away to better judgement once there is an improvement in lifestyle and one's personal milieu.
I think Victor seems to be making progress, and that can be used as leverage with Billy, and we reserve the right for removal of course if we deem matters somewhat unsalvagable.
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