If the left has full control of all forms of media they don't have to worry about their crappy ideas being challenged. Therefore they don't need to fall back on the 'ism' card, or starting calling everyone 'ists'

If you disagree they don't have to insult you. They can just memoryhole you.

@4AM_critter 🐉 you wot m8

wot m8 ?

I dunno the thing for me is that even if he may not be aware that his ideas are bad, he is at the very least aware of what is inciting the people against his ideas, even among the left.

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Well said Timcast. I am not looking forward to the future in 10 years if all the left heavily relying on identarian type policies and ideology.

If the left gains power that's what we are going to get. Everyone should want the overton window to stay in the center but the only way for that to happen is to keep them out of office.

Tug-of-culture-war

Arguably, if they get into power, that's a good sign the culture's too far gone as it is.

If the left goes down the identitarian route, the right wing may also do the same

But it will be race on one hand, and nationality on the other

I don't know what that'll look like, but 'right wing identitarianism' doesn't look like conservatism to me.

The notion that you can never overcome racial politics is a core assumption of Social Justice.

It's as if this is all a big prisoners dilemma. You can overcome racism but only until someone picks betray. Sometime around 2010 in Colorado, the Democrats ran on identity politics and managed to win in a very down year. They then made it central to their strategy going forward. Obama made speeches in support of Social Justice and pushed through bills to enforce it in places in government.

Now it seems it has all spiraled out of control. The problem is that it works. It worked in communism and it worked in fascism--both descend from Hegel--and it seems to be coming back.

And the result is a net loss for everyone.

It ain't libertarian either

Yeah, it's all really distressing.

Like I said before, I've not heard a good argument as to how Richard Spencer is a rightie

The problem, IMO, is the left/right divide to begin with.

Which is also why I find left and right arbitrary

It's too coarse to be useful.

It's so vague

It kind of is.

It is. And it's not even consistent with time.

@Beemann He literally despises conservatism

I know

But even so, Hitler was considered an authoritarian centrist at best.

not 'Far Right'

He also hates the foundational values of America

Incl free speech

I guess that's why he's "alt" right

The Alt is Latin for "Not Really" :^)

He adopted the racial obsession of the far right

"It's not orange, it's alt-red..."

And socialism from the far left

Is the right specifically racially obsessed?

Racial obsession isn't only a far right thing.

And I believe he wants an arostocracy?

I mean, of course he does.

With a king?

He talks and dresses like a damned aristocrat.