Message from @pratel

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2018-10-06 14:12:07 UTC  

Where the Jury and the judge only hears the statements and doesn't know who the accuser and the accused are

2018-10-06 14:12:20 UTC  

The whole reason why we think that way is because we cannot hold women accountable.

2018-10-06 14:12:24 UTC  

I think that might help

2018-10-06 14:12:45 UTC  

If child abduction was a problem, we would investigate better, and not let our kids walk out at night.

2018-10-06 14:12:57 UTC  

Lowering the standards of evidence would be the LAST thing we should do.

2018-10-06 14:13:06 UTC  

Think of it this way. Imagine the kav case, except no one knew who either the accuser or the accused were

2018-10-06 14:13:22 UTC  

The only thing put out would be the statements and evidence

2018-10-06 14:13:29 UTC  

Is child abduction hard to prove if there is no evidence? Yes!
Would I be pissed if I thought I knew who abducted my child and couldn't prove it? Yes!

2018-10-06 14:13:37 UTC  

The case would have been proven long ago

2018-10-06 14:14:07 UTC  

But that is what our justice system is for: To go on evidence and follow due process, not to satisfy your thirst for revenge of who you perceive wronged you.

2018-10-06 14:15:01 UTC  

Undead Mockingbird's rule for rape prosecution:

No fucking evidence? No fucking prosecution!

2018-10-06 14:21:38 UTC  

Cases being behind closed doors has precedent, but it's very narrow. The 6th amendment guarantees a public trial.

Europe has very private court cases and it sorta works.

The reason for public trials is to insure transparency and avoid a China scenario.

2018-10-06 14:21:58 UTC  

There are ways to run these trials and keep details sealed (in a way that's 6th amendment compliant).

2018-10-06 14:22:25 UTC  

But I think that's not really the point for a lot of these people.

2018-10-06 14:22:29 UTC  

Think cases done like 4chan

2018-10-06 14:23:02 UTC  

And the only people who're allowed to know the accuser and the accused are the defendant and prosecutor

2018-10-06 14:23:06 UTC  

That's not really practical.

2018-10-06 14:23:15 UTC  

I haven't thought it out

2018-10-06 14:23:21 UTC  

You would be able to peice together who the people are based on presented evidence.

2018-10-06 14:23:28 UTC  

Like, if there's addresses for example.

2018-10-06 14:23:35 UTC  

Or vehicles involved.

2018-10-06 14:23:39 UTC  

With license plates.

2018-10-06 14:24:04 UTC  

It would be extremely hard to censor enough to prevent court watchers from figuring out who's being talked about.

2018-10-06 14:24:04 UTC  

There are ways to frame things without revealing enough info to find the people

2018-10-06 14:24:15 UTC  

Not really.

2018-10-06 14:24:24 UTC  

You can hide for a little while.

2018-10-06 14:24:43 UTC  

But as evidence enters, it becomes dramatically harder with each new piece of evidence.

2018-10-06 14:25:14 UTC  

It's really not hard to unmask someone if you've got the time, money and know-how.

2018-10-06 14:25:52 UTC  

4chan and discord are hard because no one is volunteering anything and lies and trolls are rampant.

2018-10-06 14:26:14 UTC  

But as soon as people start talking neighborhoods. And people start disappearing from work to make testimonies...

2018-10-06 14:26:31 UTC  

Really not hard to figure out the parties involved.

2018-10-06 14:48:57 UTC  

According to WaPo the only data on false accusations puts it at 7%

If that is based on all occurrences there should be 70 little people not 2

There should be 400 people for reported and around 370 for faced trial.

30 of them would be jailed

Which is actually scary when you consider more innocent people are suffering than rapists are actually being jailed.

Not sure how to fix that but... damn...

I searched the innocence project database

362 people exonerated of crimes they did not commit

267 of the cases invovled rape

around 73% of the innocence project dealt with exonerating false rape convictions

2018-10-06 14:52:41 UTC  

So that's different than a "rape culture" which is what it's trying to convey

2018-10-06 14:52:47 UTC  

Imo

2018-10-06 14:53:25 UTC  

that's terrifying. any chance we could get a link to this data for posting at people?

2018-10-06 14:53:26 UTC  

I think the statistics for rape convictions are in line with other crimes

2018-10-06 14:53:37 UTC  

But need to be improved.

2018-10-06 14:53:56 UTC  

Timcast raped me on the night of Nocember 35th 2019

2018-10-06 14:54:09 UTC  

i'm gettin real tired of not having links ready for when people talk about how muh false rape accusations are too rare to care about

2018-10-06 14:54:51 UTC  

Timcast raped me on the early morning hours of July 4th 1776 behind the Boston state house