What is important because I look at conservatives the way you would look at a control

And the progressive in theory should be the variable, and when they push for a small change, we should be able to objectively look back and see if it was worse or better than what we had

I mean by default conservatives vote for the status quo

At least used to

Hey Ginga change your shirt.

Yeah I mean don't get me wrong American politics is so beyond f***** up

Your shirt looks terrible I hate your shirt.

Ginga's shirt SUCKS.

Progress needs to be slow but they don't care. They want to push things through and not care if it destroys everything good.

The meanings of conservative and progressive are contextual af.

I don't feel like either party represents core ideas

Imean the US is probably the most if nto one of the most progressive nations in the world

Like I have no idea why the right-wing has adopted Christian traditionalism as a large part of their platform

So progressive that conservative in the US can be considered very progressive in other countries

What

US conservatives want to **conserve** old liberal society

I mean thats what I meant by keep the status quo

I don't see any issue with Christian traditionalism.

People aren't conservative or progressive. Either your ideology is compatible with the status quo or it isn't.

So long as it's not too authoritarian.

It depends, I see plenty of obstacles

Religion just doesn't have a place in government, especially when it is to decide policy

but if in current sistuation what they have to conserve. its all fucked up.

Religion itself doesn't need to be in government but the moral code from it should.

I would say I definitely lean libertarian

To be honest, it has always felt "progressives" have been progressing towards socialism and communism.

It still provides a good moral code, not everyone can do that by themselves

And my Solutions to some of those problems do not use religion as a factor

current "progressivie" left is just marxist.

I'm not saying religion doesn't have utility, in fact anybody who ignores that is willfully ignorant

@CreativeRealms which moral code from which religion?

The issue is that some of the principles that religion adopted serve utility at a time but are vestigial now

Maybe the one that country managed to keep using since its creation

Christian-Judeo values.

A good example would be homophobia

What the US was founded on.

There's no utility and homophobia in 2018

Progressive and liberal are kinda the same, both used to mean capitalist, both now mean commie.

But it still remains part of a religion, and obstructed legislature to prevent marriage of it

A my stance would simply be that marriage should not be part of the government at all anyways

Progressive meant capitalist? When during the red scare?