Message from @Dusty Morgan

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2018-10-23 20:52:51 UTC  

What if I take some American soil across the border and someone gives birth on it?

2018-10-23 20:52:59 UTC  

Then they were born on american soil.

2018-10-23 20:53:06 UTC  

the US should just have the caravan brawl, the 500 Mexicans that survive the brawl will be allowed into the US

The other 13,500 should die with honor

2018-10-23 20:53:08 UTC  

It should grant them US citizenship.

2018-10-23 20:53:12 UTC  

How about we take America

2018-10-23 20:53:14 UTC  

and push it

2018-10-23 20:53:16 UTC  

somewhere else?

2018-10-23 20:53:19 UTC  

So just some thoughts I had while watching Tim's video today: it seems to me that this is a major failing of the (two-)party system. You cease voting based on shared ideals and stated principles or policies, and end up voting for A primarily because you don't like B - whether the image of B is accurate or the distorted and demonised characterisation.

And I think that's why you see loads more voter fatigue/apathy and political disconnect; people knowing that the candidates they believe will do the best job will *never* get in because another candidate has more funding, or has pandered to the wider audience, or has broken down their ideas into more appetizing soundbytes or buzzwords - and so what's the point.

And then you have the problem of de-radicalization. How do you get the hyperpartisans and ideological zealots to step down and come to public forums to discuss their ideas and be able to compromise, instead of harassing or attacking their opponents.

2018-10-23 20:53:25 UTC  

Flak?! is that you?!

2018-10-23 20:54:02 UTC  

@Inquisition yep 2 party system is a scam

2018-10-23 20:54:10 UTC  

It is pretty fucked up

2018-10-23 20:54:17 UTC  

@Inquisition YOU cant just come in here and spread that kind of fake news!

2018-10-23 20:54:24 UTC  

kappa

2018-10-23 20:54:50 UTC  

As a person living in a country with MANY parties

Your 2 party system isn't much worse

2018-10-23 20:55:00 UTC  

I am trying to deradicalize people, but, they keep doubling down....

2018-10-23 20:55:07 UTC  

In my country, a group with 15% of the votes gets to push their ideology on people too 😉

2018-10-23 20:55:25 UTC  

What's particularly fucked up is that the entire reason we've got these two drastically different parties is because of a *serious* modern miscommunication on founding principles.

2018-10-23 20:55:26 UTC  

Cause they bitch

2018-10-23 20:55:35 UTC  

@Dr.Wol I live in Canada, so we're sort of in the same boat; we have like 3 and a half major parties.

2018-10-23 20:55:52 UTC  

current dutch ruling government is 4 parties

2018-10-23 20:56:01 UTC  

Yay, coalition.

2018-10-23 20:56:12 UTC  

oh gawd how does anything get done @Dr.Wol

2018-10-23 20:56:19 UTC  

well

2018-10-23 20:56:20 UTC  

it doesn't

2018-10-23 20:56:23 UTC  

it does actually

2018-10-23 20:56:24 UTC  

let me explain

2018-10-23 20:56:25 UTC  

that's the good part

2018-10-23 20:56:28 UTC  

The "Libertarian" party

2018-10-23 20:56:32 UTC  

Sold out EVERYTHING they campaigned for

2018-10-23 20:56:35 UTC  

Literally 😄

2018-10-23 20:56:39 UTC  

lol

2018-10-23 20:56:42 UTC  

😩

2018-10-23 20:56:43 UTC  

The parties create coalitions

2018-10-23 20:56:48 UTC  

Of course they did.

2018-10-23 20:56:51 UTC  

Basically, you wind up with 4 parties

2018-10-23 20:56:58 UTC  

three of which band together to form a majority

2018-10-23 20:57:01 UTC  

to bully the third.

2018-10-23 20:57:12 UTC  

they campaigned for a referendum right for the people

And now they are the biggest advocates for abolishing it, for this reason
"It gives people the sense they're not being listened to"

Because they actively ignore the referendums people call for

2018-10-23 20:57:19 UTC  

You can almost set a watch - If Ukip becomes a serious contender in an election