The decent thing you could do is give it away

In otherwords, I am talking about both

@Grenade123 it wont be born if thats not what she decides

So your for abortion then?

I give up.

There are about 12 million single mothers in the US, at any time. Almost everybody here will agree how bad that is.

But everyone swears up and down how THEIR single mother was the one exception, the one case where, despite all the hundreds of legal tools, it really, really wasn't her fault, but the man's.

Bullshit.

so she is forced to deal with AND pay for that procedure, when it was your protection that failed and your end of the contract that was breeched? @Redneo

@Undead Mockingbird my mom is no saint

I just respect that she took care of me

or do I, the tax payer, now have to pay for that?

My dad wouldnt of

@Grenade123 i never said anything about who pays for the procedure

@Redneo that is part of the responsibility

Codes, I realize that you can pay lip service to all of this.

That's the problem:

Both the left and right will pay lip service to all of this, but when the rubber meets the road, THEIR case is always the exception, the one that fell between the cracks.

you are deciding what is happening with this thing you have created.

Oh that person is paying with what he can give

Man up!

Men just have to step up and shut up!

until that responsibility has been handed off somehow to someone who will take it, it is in the hands of the people who decided to have sex

its a responsibility seperate to whos responsible for the child should she decide to have it

More shelters!

More DV programs!

"My single mom is different."

@Redneo until things are aborted, i am counting it as a child.

if you want to use a different word from conception until 18, by all means

actually you are just assuming that I agree with those things

but inreality they shouldnt exist

but the moment egg meets sperm, both parties are now responsibility for how that is dealt with.

but agian, reality aint so fucking fair now is it

That is the problem, Codes.

You can agree on the premise, but you are so damn brainwashed you are unable to put any of it into action or apply it to any individual situation.

Feminist will say they are all about equality, but as soon as you propose some shared parenting law, NOW loses their shit.

We are treading sand precisely because of people's inability to be fucking adults and deal with their own shit.

we still on equality between Wams and Hams?

You all agree with me on libertarian principles, but as soon as that means we have to deregulate markets you fall back on the most idiotic Marxist talking points about the exploitation of labor.

@Dr.Wol we are with codes arguing that consent to sex is consent to have a child

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thats moronic in the modern age

Sex is reproduction dude

during periods too?

Codes, are you actually mentally challenged?

just because we have the technology, to do something, does not mean the base needs of a species must be met on a biological level

i think its more consent to have to deal with the whole process up to and including the child being born. Including who pays for medical procedures.

What the fuck does that even mean?