you are deciding what is happening with this thing you have created.

Oh that person is paying with what he can give

Man up!

Men just have to step up and shut up!

until that responsibility has been handed off somehow to someone who will take it, it is in the hands of the people who decided to have sex

its a responsibility seperate to whos responsible for the child should she decide to have it

More shelters!

More DV programs!

"My single mom is different."

@Redneo until things are aborted, i am counting it as a child.

if you want to use a different word from conception until 18, by all means

actually you are just assuming that I agree with those things

but inreality they shouldnt exist

but the moment egg meets sperm, both parties are now responsibility for how that is dealt with.

but agian, reality aint so fucking fair now is it

That is the problem, Codes.

You can agree on the premise, but you are so damn brainwashed you are unable to put any of it into action or apply it to any individual situation.

Feminist will say they are all about equality, but as soon as you propose some shared parenting law, NOW loses their shit.

We are treading sand precisely because of people's inability to be fucking adults and deal with their own shit.

we still on equality between Wams and Hams?

You all agree with me on libertarian principles, but as soon as that means we have to deregulate markets you fall back on the most idiotic Marxist talking points about the exploitation of labor.

@Dr.Wol we are with codes arguing that consent to sex is consent to have a child

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thats moronic in the modern age

Sex is reproduction dude

during periods too?

Codes, are you actually mentally challenged?

just because we have the technology, to do something, does not mean the base needs of a species must be met on a biological level

i think its more consent to have to deal with the whole process up to and including the child being born. Including who pays for medical procedures.

What the fuck does that even mean?

sex is an enjoyable activity meant for reproducing,

But since its an amusement activity now too, you only consent to that part

abortion costs money, medical treatment for those 9 months cost money

like boxing

it means, that just because we can forcibly abort a baby, does not mean that you are no longer responsible for the child you create

If someone pokes holes into my condom, that is tricking me into having a kid.

if the father wears a condom and it breaks, he needs to help pay for at least abortion. He violated the contract.

That shit is on THEM.

Now, if the chick lied about birth control, that is different.

that, imo, is borderline rape

Biology is not a free pass to fuck people over.

im with Grenade on this

Well, I can agree with you on that one undead

but how do you prove they did that?