They get jobs... but they don't pay taxes because they are non-citizens.

Only tax they pay is sales tax and that is it.

That isn't enough to cover the drain they put on the system.

They don't have the franchise, but they do pay taxes, including income taxes and state taxes.

These are documented persons.

Well if they are permanent, they should be allowed to draw.

oh yeah, it also included people with visas, thats right...

They are documented, they are permanent and pay taxes, I am okay with them drawing.

Mostly all the article really says is that the usual argument "immigrants pay more into the welfare system than they take" is basically wrong.

They contribute to the system.

Same here. Permanent residents are very close to full citizens legally.

I know a couple who've been in the country for decades and are just waiting on the clock for full citizenship.

Paying taxes and everything else.

Then those people should be given the option.

They are going through legal means.

I am okay with that

how did they enter tho?

They entered legally.

ah ok, thats... better than entering illegally

1 out of the 4 non-citizens should be given the right for benefits and SSI, because they actually came here legally and are contributing.

The others should be denied access to it.

I am not cold hearted, I am willing to compromise on issues if it reasonable.

Now, if you want to start a flame war, the article indicates the usual mechanism by which welfare benefits for people who wouldn't otherwise qualify are received is via native-born children.

That's tying very closely with the "children aren't citizens" declaration right before the midterms.

But we should keep terms straight.

So anchor babies?

The problem is that there's been this stigmatism against immigrants to the point that even Legal ones are looked down on to a degree or assumed to be illegal.... personally I want the border to become so damn secure that anyone who claims to be an immigrant is welcomed by a community rather than ostracized for supposed illegality

Instead of citizenship, anchor babies should get the guillotine

I really hate that it is allowed, it puts the mother and child in danger.

Anchor babies usually implies that he parents go back to the home country, but yes @Dusty Morgan

Anchor babies is using children as human shields

No the term means... the parents are protected from deportation aka anchor word because they had a baby here in united states.

holy crap... I actually finally managed to get this ubuntu setup on a secure boot laptop (keeping secureboot on) with the wireless drivers finally working and even left the windows recovery partitions working

hp made it hell to get this laptop working under linux

@Eirene See, that's the idea. Legal immigrants should be welcomed.

@Misomania How so?

I think we should add a legislation specifically to close the loophole.

@pratel the network card somehow defaults to using the bluetooth antenna for the wifi because of a shit driver, which broke the wifi until I learned to manually force it to use the actual wifi antenna

That's weird. And entirely what I'd expect to happen with Linux somehow.

For a child born here to be considered a citizen to foreign parent, certain requirements are must be met.

I remember emergency buying an ethernet cable to get a wifi driver downloaded once.