Message from @Hiniku
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I'm sure you have already, but have you talked to any VW bus clubs? I use to own a 1967 vw bus and they are very customizable, just a thought @Timcast
even then, why are people solely believing a 6 yo is beyond me
I don't think that actions have defined intent, but they do have defined consequences
if you yell fire in a crowd, someone will panic
not convinced all people are that stupid
Not sure if VW buses are a big deal on the eastcoast howver
No, but I think there is reasonable evidence to assume intent, in this case. That is how our courts work though. It isn't perfect.
in which case?
The case of yelling fire in a crowded area.
i haven't assumed intent, i thought that's what we were discussing
and i was disagreeing
you haven't, hiniku is saying that there may be reasonable evidence in the case of yelling fire in a theatre
to convince a court of malicious intent
which is why i am a free speech absolutist, like i said at the beginning, according ot tim's definition.
I think there might be some miscommunication, when did I say you were agreeing?
oh was that an appeal to authority?
How about this Paradox
i was disagreeing with that.
Let's see if we can agree on this
too
If someone has malicious intent to hurt people and yells fire in a crowded theatre, should they be punished?
nope
what?
I think that if your actions cause physical harm to another person, whether your actions were physical or verbal, you deserve punishment. I'm a consequentialist
because yelling fire doesn't hurt people
Ok, well, that is stupid.
it's speech
the people being morons and panicing and trampling eachother is what hurts people, they should be punished for being too dumb
The action of yelling fire is causing the actions of panic which is causing harm...
and...them trampling eachother is that punishment
that's like saying dropping a crate on someone to kill them doesn't hurt people
it's the gravity
You guys see the vids of the transformer explosion in NYC
Officer, ***I*** didn't murder the lady, physics did. All i did was pull the trigger.
Blame newton for figuring out that for every reaction there is an equal and oppsite raction.
your assumption is that people MUST panic when someone yells fire.
I disagree.
not most
some
if someone yells fire, the implication is that there is a direct threat to human life, because there is a fire