what's ridiculous is assuming intent

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Ah, yes, I had a song stuck in my head mr. judge, that is why I yelled fire. Please don't punish me.

heck, maybe you didn't know and your friends dared you to, there's a ton of reasons

I think we took the conversation to it's conclusion

sure, you think that actions in themselves have an assigned intent. I think differently.

Paradox, I can believe it isn't intentional to cause harm if it's a six year old. but an adult is a different story

I'm sure you have already, but have you talked to any VW bus clubs? I use to own a 1967 vw bus and they are very customizable, just a thought @Timcast

even then, why are people solely believing a 6 yo is beyond me

I don't think that actions have defined intent, but they do have defined consequences

if you yell fire in a crowd, someone will panic

not convinced all people are that stupid

Not sure if VW buses are a big deal on the eastcoast howver

No, but I think there is reasonable evidence to assume intent, in this case. That is how our courts work though. It isn't perfect.

in which case?

The case of yelling fire in a crowded area.

i haven't assumed intent, i thought that's what we were discussing

and i was disagreeing

you haven't, hiniku is saying that there may be reasonable evidence in the case of yelling fire in a theatre

to convince a court of malicious intent

which is why i am a free speech absolutist, like i said at the beginning, according ot tim's definition.

I think there might be some miscommunication, when did I say you were agreeing?

oh was that an appeal to authority?

How about this Paradox

i was disagreeing with that.

Let's see if we can agree on this

too

If someone has malicious intent to hurt people and yells fire in a crowded theatre, should they be punished?

nope

what?

I think that if your actions cause physical harm to another person, whether your actions were physical or verbal, you deserve punishment. I'm a consequentialist

because yelling fire doesn't hurt people

Ok, well, that is stupid.

it's speech

the people being morons and panicing and trampling eachother is what hurts people, they should be punished for being too dumb

The action of yelling fire is causing the actions of panic which is causing harm...

and...them trampling eachother is that punishment

that's like saying dropping a crate on someone to kill them doesn't hurt people

it's the gravity

You guys see the vids of the transformer explosion in NYC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyLqkzKeJis&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2ijPx5hB6CJRzfsdioe9wDeLTdmgvMX9se12ZgSb6XWP98wNXlRcgrgHA