No, but I think there is reasonable evidence to assume intent, in this case. That is how our courts work though. It isn't perfect.

in which case?

The case of yelling fire in a crowded area.

i haven't assumed intent, i thought that's what we were discussing

and i was disagreeing

you haven't, hiniku is saying that there may be reasonable evidence in the case of yelling fire in a theatre

to convince a court of malicious intent

which is why i am a free speech absolutist, like i said at the beginning, according ot tim's definition.

I think there might be some miscommunication, when did I say you were agreeing?

oh was that an appeal to authority?

How about this Paradox

i was disagreeing with that.

Let's see if we can agree on this

too

If someone has malicious intent to hurt people and yells fire in a crowded theatre, should they be punished?

nope

what?

I think that if your actions cause physical harm to another person, whether your actions were physical or verbal, you deserve punishment. I'm a consequentialist

because yelling fire doesn't hurt people

Ok, well, that is stupid.

it's speech

the people being morons and panicing and trampling eachother is what hurts people, they should be punished for being too dumb

The action of yelling fire is causing the actions of panic which is causing harm...

and...them trampling eachother is that punishment

that's like saying dropping a crate on someone to kill them doesn't hurt people

it's the gravity

You guys see the vids of the transformer explosion in NYC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyLqkzKeJis&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2ijPx5hB6CJRzfsdioe9wDeLTdmgvMX9se12ZgSb6XWP98wNXlRcgrgHA

https://twitter.com/tara_arianna/status/1078475450802978817?s=19

Officer, ***I*** didn't murder the lady, physics did. All i did was pull the trigger.
Blame newton for figuring out that for every reaction there is an equal and oppsite raction.

your assumption is that people MUST panic when someone yells fire.

I disagree.

not most

some

if someone yells fire, the implication is that there is a direct threat to human life, because there is a fire

yes, and some people eat their own poop, i don't think laws should be designed around the exceptions

this causes a fight/flight response

People do panic if someone yells fire

that's not an exception

Ok, so what if a person purposefully intends to cause a panic to hurt people, they do it by yelling fire in a crowded threatre, should they be punished?

i already said no