Message from @Dr.Wol

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2019-01-04 22:38:15 UTC  

Why is it mathematically impossible?

2019-01-04 22:38:45 UTC  

cuz you'd either have to tax everyone 100%, making working useless, meaning the jobs you can't replace yet exceptionally hard to fill

2019-01-04 22:38:52 UTC  

Economies produce surpluses. As long as the UBI pool does not exceed that, the balance sheet remains positive.

2019-01-04 22:38:53 UTC  

or you'd have to hyperinflate every payout session

2019-01-04 22:38:57 UTC  

making the money literally useless to have

2019-01-04 22:39:53 UTC  

But then for each tax you pay 90% of it

2019-01-04 22:40:02 UTC  

And then you’re left with some money

2019-01-04 22:40:12 UTC  

Maybe I have a different definition of UBI.

2019-01-04 22:40:15 UTC  

And you pay 90% of the next without replenishing

2019-01-04 22:40:22 UTC  

You’re just going to lose it all

2019-01-04 22:40:35 UTC  

Is it not a guarantee of a minimum income?

2019-01-04 22:40:36 UTC  

He’s basically just saying lower our taxes

2019-01-04 22:40:39 UTC  

yes

2019-01-04 22:40:43 UTC  

but how do you get that minimal income?

2019-01-04 22:41:18 UTC  

From the economy's surplus.

2019-01-04 22:41:33 UTC  

How do you finance any other government program?

2019-01-04 22:41:37 UTC  

tax money

2019-01-04 22:41:41 UTC  

Well then if everyone is taking it from the economy then no one is going to replenish the economy

2019-01-04 22:42:00 UTC  

if you have machines to replace all food production, you can do it everywhere

Thus making food non-tradable

2019-01-04 22:42:05 UTC  

meaning you stop getting economy surplus

2019-01-04 22:42:10 UTC  

cuz the economy in those branches stops

2019-01-04 22:42:25 UTC  

and you still have to invest resources into maintaining the machines

2019-01-04 22:42:25 UTC  

If we can automate food production then we can be satisfied

2019-01-04 22:42:30 UTC  

Which is basically it

2019-01-04 22:42:36 UTC  

A utopia is heavily controlled

2019-01-04 22:42:36 UTC  

You would calculate the budget for UPI by the number of people receiving it multiplied by the amount of income it's supposed to guarantee, roughly.

2019-01-04 22:42:38 UTC  

automate food production, and automate its automation

2019-01-04 22:42:47 UTC  

Everyone shares because there is no merit

2019-01-04 22:42:59 UTC  

No one in the giver was making the best new invention

2019-01-04 22:43:06 UTC  

Everyone was content with what they had

2019-01-04 22:43:09 UTC  

you can get UBI once you can automate automation,

At which point you don't need UBI anymore cuz theres no requirement to work

2019-01-04 22:43:19 UTC  

well

2019-01-04 22:43:19 UTC  

Hmm?

2019-01-04 22:43:34 UTC  

We have money to finance our military.

2019-01-04 22:43:36 UTC  

fact is that people with an IQ of 100 or below really have no work anymore

2019-01-04 22:43:48 UTC  

There’s still going to be people repairing shit though

2019-01-04 22:43:49 UTC  

By that logic, it would be impossible to have an army.

2019-01-04 22:43:49 UTC  

Flipping burgers? Yeah you dont need a human for that

2019-01-04 22:43:55 UTC  

^

2019-01-04 22:43:56 UTC  

fuck an army

2019-01-04 22:44:08 UTC  

Don’t need humans to kill robots can do it