I don't know if it's a choice if the father leaves.

I get you could put them up for adoption

Or if the dad dies for some reason

@That Guy [ なに!?! ] it is if he didnt agree to be a father. thats on her

I actually do agree that a man shouldn't have his money stolen for kids he doesn't have custody of.

It's on them both, I would say. @Redneo

Wasn't there a case recently of a teacher that had a kid with a student and the student went to jail for not paying child support?

Maybe it would be better to focus on preventing divorce altogether, eh?

wouldn't surprise me....

@That Guy [ なに!?! ] nah its not. A woman can use birth control (men dont have reliable birth control other than vasectomies), she can use the morning after pill, she can abort, she can give the child up for adoption and she can even anonymously give it to a save haven

maybe it would be better to not pay people to be poor and make babies?

which were established cause before we had save havens mothers just threw their babies in the dumpster

But at the same time they both engaged in sex

Knee slapper

you take that risk

@That Guy [ なに!?! ] and? Thats still her choice

It is his as well

no

he contributed nothing to that choice

He didn't chose to have sex?

He was raped?

Rip

he may or may not have chosen to have sex

but

if he did

thats not consent to being a father

fucks sake

If you chose to engage in sex then you should acknowledge the risks. IMO

if the postal service breaks something, they have to replace that. NOT pay you your lost earnings

I don't want my tax dollars going to welfare sluts, either.

^

This book is intense holy shit

@That Guy [ なに!?! ] if the postal service breaks something, they have to replace that. NOT pay you your lost earnings
You are responsible for direct damages so the most a dad could be responsible for is paying half the abortion

yikes

@Redneo If one does not agree with abortion, then that's not fair.

if she doesnt agree with abortion thats her choice

Or if he doesn't

Men can be against abortion as well, despite not wanting a kid

thats possible, yeah. As it stands though thats not a choice he can make

Agreed.

I just feel like this conversation is truly multifaceted (and I hate saying this because it's usually just used as an excuse)