Oh oop

you mean Charles Martel?

god damn they got their shit together fast

Charles Martel, the savior of Europe

/Christianity

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so livid rn

Islam has it's faults but the Caliphates it held were really good with fightin

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I've heard it called a religion of conquerers, since that's how the book is written, to promote that sort of thing

Not an expert though

i mean at the time

they were both violent as fuck

The religion of peas

or charlie held back them sandies

just barley

shame it wasn't the religion of mushy peas

I could get behind that

which was impressive in that the muslim forces werent pushovers either

Conquering doesn't really fit so well within the modern day

The Muslim forces were really good for their time

they stayed amazing until

Very well adapted to the desert environment

shit like mid 1600s?

Wasnt the final fuck off for the muslims the Siege of Vienna?

They stayed amazing until....I want to say until bows stopped being top dog

muslims were a powerful thing for as long as the ottomans existed

so i guess 1900s

who started the first crusade

okay it was way after tours

Well by Muslims are we talking like ancient Crusades or more modern Ottoman Empire / Iraq-Iran?

muslims being byzantine/northern africa

and middle east obv

Then yeah, they lost their advantage once guns became the primary weapon of war

Part of it is the culture that served them well in medieval warfare just did not translate well to industrial warfare

tryna watch the last season of black mirror, really not feeling it so far. just got past "crocodile"

Black mirror gay

Which is why a lot of middle eastern armies get routinely btfo by small insurgent groups

@Jim would you recommend in general?

in general it's p. good