Message from @Sentient23
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The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches that, while no sin absolutely "unforgivable", some sins represent a deliberate refusal to repent and accept the infinite mercy of God; a person committing such a sin refuses God's forgiveness, which can lead to condemnation to hell.
Can you elaborate on "insult" though?
The story of Odin sucking dick is a false story forged by a (((faggot))) who claimed Jesus had sex with his apostles when no one was watching.
There is no story in any credible literature that suggest Odin sucking dick.
Hold the phone.
@Monty great name & movie BTW. My name is also based in Monty Python lore.
My name is not based on monty python but the pfp is
Fair enough
I mean to go back on what I missed, ofc insulting god isn't the best idea
But if you're indifferent you can be forgotten
Forgotten however isn't the same as accepted, in the sense that only those who do good works are accepted
@moira justify morality without a higher unconditionally non dependent being which dictates and conveys to us what is moral, and what laws we ought to conduct our lives around
he can't. he argues some sort of animal morality, where the survival of your own species is the ultimate end-goal. he cannot argue why we should have this as our end goal
@moira Here ill present you my contention with an atheistic moral compass, you're free to respond
In a subjectivist morality, each moral compass is true insofar as the axioms of such moral compass are accepted. (i.e murder is wrong insofar as you accept some variant of utilitarianism) Now, axioms are by definition, arbitrary. Axioms, are also, the foundation of moral compasses in subjectivism, therefore, the whole moral compass is arbitrary as the foundation is arbitrary.
If you accept this, and simply say "So what", I could justify murder by merely adopting a different moral axiom which allows for murder and the destruction of the living etc
Everyone can justify every action by simply adopting a seperate axiom which allows for that action
1 Peter 2:17
> Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.
Honestly I've just been trying to purge the supposed ability to synthesize classical liberalism with Christianity on some servers
Anarchist "Christians" need to be corrected, especially anarchist Catholics, which I thought I'd never meet.
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@Sentient23 Religion dictates morality as much as atheism dictates morality. You can justify murder through religious figures, just like the numerous people who have been killed over Israel and Palestine. Let’s not forget the Nazis were also Christians spreading their message of anti Jew behavior. Let’s not forget that the KKK is a Christian based group. And let us not forget that ISIS kills for religious morals. To say that morals cant exist without religion is like saying you can’t be a good person without paying indulgence. Humanists believe in doing good without divine intervention. I don’t need a god to tell me what is right and wrong. Not all atheists are nilihsts, and not all religious peoples are killers. Be good for the sake of being good. Don’t let a divine figure tell you why you can’t do something bad. there can be a discussion on the role of religion has on society, but it is a society as a whole that dictates the rules, society not religion typically dictate morals. The absence of religion is not the absence of morality. insofar we are all human. I find peace in knowing I can dictate my own reality. What comes after death isn’t “nothing” it just isn’t a god.
yikes, im at a bus rn and this literally didnt address anything I said, but thats to be expected from a teenage atheist, ill respond when i get off
they were a very secularist movement and the upper cabinet were usually into indo european occultism
i know im kind of pushing myself into this argument but nobody is telling you that if youre an atheist youre a bloodthirsty killer
were simply saying that your morality cannot be justufied, i.e. it is a social construct
and sorry for calling you an idiot but thats an extremely silly statement
Alright I'm back. So, as he said, and as i previously said, this in no way addresses the fact that you can't justify your moral compass. "doing good for the sake of good" is not a justification, and its circular
No where in your response did you address the fact that the same line of reasoning you used towards reaching your moral conclusion, can be used to reach the antithesis of your conclusion, as the line of reasoning you use is purely arbitrary
So, I'm just going to repeat myself once again
"In a subjectivist morality, each moral compass is true insofar as the axioms of such moral compass are accepted. (i.e murder is wrong insofar as you accept some variant of utilitarianism) Now, axioms are by definition, arbitrary. Axioms, are also, the foundation of moral compasses in subjectivism, therefore, the whole moral compass is arbitrary as the foundation is arbitrary.
If you accept this, and simply say "So what", I could justify murder by merely adopting a different moral axiom which allows for murder and the destruction of the living etc
Everyone can justify every action by simply adopting a seperate axiom which allows for that action"
You put it in terms that couldn't be more clear, but I expect nothing short of another reddit-tier "muh crusades" response.
NAZIS WERE CHRISTIANS???
HOW
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany
"There was, however, some diversity in personal views of Nazi leadership as to the future of religion in Germany. Anti-Church radicals included Hitler's personal secretary Martin Bormann, paganist Nazi philosopher Alfred Rosenberg, and paganist occultist Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler. Some Nazis, such as Hans Kerrl, who served as Hitler's Minister for Church Affairs, pushed for "Positive Christianity", a uniquely Nazi form which rejected its Jewish origins and the Old Testament, and portrayed "true" Christianity as a fight against Jews, with Jesus depicted as an Aryan.[9]"
@moira t. wikipedia
Morality only comes from religion!
I'd say morality is reflected in religion but I wouldn't say it only come from religion
it can only come from an objectively higher authority
in an atheistic world, there's nothing that can objectively be defined as a higher authority
therefore, atheistic morality is simply a social construct
So on a morality level is what seperates you from strangling a baby the bible
strawman and a sort of emotional argument
it isn't simply the book itself that separates me from strangling a baby, it's my serious conviction that was this book says is correct and good