most of those who have thought about their faith have lost said faith

they thought very hard, infact the hardest they could. And exactly because they thought about it, they lost their faith.

You have no clue what Atheists are like. there is no such thing as a "new-atheist community", nor is he considered a demi-god.

but please, do explain why everything *but* god needs to have a creator

there is not. You, as a *not*- atheist would not know.

you can't know something about something if oyu've never participated.

you clearly never have. whenver you refer to atheists, you refer to a stereotype of them instead of actual atheists

well when you refer to atheists, you had reffered to a stereotyped version of them.

did he ever think about what he argued for?

clearly not. Or, maybe he thought about it like he was told to. Like it was proven, as truth, that there should be no debate about it. Like you were.

the sheer of lack of self awareness oyu have is said. 'Ill be right back,

Ill read that

quick question: why does God not do any miracles anymore, or anyone else for that matter? why'd miracles die out as we got more informed, better in the ways of science and document things more?

swss

ok, so explain why back in Jesus Days, mircales were turningk,what was it, 5 bread and 2 fish into enough food to feed essentially a small army, but nowadays it's just passing a test you likely studied for anyways.

so why has god not sent down someone else to cleanse us, once again, of our sins, if he could do it back then

well if Jesus has cleansed ALL our sins, why do you still put so much effort into converting people? God loves *all* of us, regardless of our faith, so why do I have to 'accept him as my savior and ask forgiveness' ? Shouldn't I be cleansed of my sins nonetheless?

@Eoppa can u explain it to me.

since you understand better

huh

well, if I seperate myself from him, why doesn't he try to get me back? After all ,he loves all of us, why owuldn't he want me to believe in him and repent? And, if he loves us all, why doesn't he wipe away our sins without us believing in him?

but why not just by existing? after all, God loves us all.

but why aren't we automaticyl forgiven, if god loves all of us?

so why has he not made any attempt to get me back to him, if he loves me?

well, besides you, noone else has made any real attempts to convert me. And ,god should know how to make good attempts, right? he's all-knowing, after all.

I don't watch anime

Yeah

this is probably another example of your stereotyping of Atheists

an assumption is based on a stereotype

what else lead you to the assumption that I watch anime

do you have irrational hate for it?

I'd rather not, to be honest. I've never watched Anime.

Wow there's actual diehard christians here ok, how do you justify freewill with the whole romans 8 thing

Tbh the whole prospect of Christianity just seems like god forgot to write the other half of the book where human beings are good people

Why are priests a channel of god until they molest some kid? You guys sure worshiped him before! It just doesn’t make sense.

I go with the logical answer where religion was invented to stop people from being total wack jobs, but human impulse won’t ever but stomped out.

never heard of her

@Sentient23 I’m not calling myself intellectually superior. In fact I think I’m pretty retarded. I just don’t see how people can call religion a success when people are getting fucked everyday. My sister died in a car crash when she was 9 years old, but lemme guess that was gods plan right? I was a Christian at the time so why did that happen? It’s just to me personally all bullshit. Like why did god not write the bible himself?

except it's been proven several documents were cut or edited by the church, and that several other events, while supposedly true, are just fairy tales from the time.

it is not. There are many documents hidden in the vatican vaults.

not an opinion.

@Ater Votum I love how the video starts off, in the first sentence, with a logical fallacy.

The second point is literally 800 yeaes before Jesus

now, while, according to the Hezekiah Tunnels, Hezekiah must've lived about 800 Years before Christ, since he created those 2800 year old tunnels. But these Prisms say that Sennacherib ruled 701 B.C. to 681 B.C.

about 100 years apart

now, from Wikipedia, about the David Inscriptions, translated with 99.9% accuracy by me "The Attention is especially on the mention of a 'House David' . Should this reading be correct, this would be the first Evidence for the mention of a David. If, by this, the biblical David is meant, should remain unanswered for now. [...] The Inscriptions is historical in no case proof for a Unified Kingdom of Israel and Juda under the bilical King David.

on the Nazareth house, all I could find was a christian order of nuns that take in Orphans, and sometimes abuse them.

well we have as about as much proof that god exists as we have proof he doesn’t exist. And I think it’s rational to go with something not existing if you don’t have sufficient evidence for it

Thats how it works in the court of laws anyway

the criminal doesn’t have a charge until there is hard evidence of proof .

Humanism

The thing that started the enlightenment period

Being good people without the need for divine intervention

Understanding that we are all humans

We all have feelings

basically christain philsophy without the god part

its amazing

Because people can do good without some figure in the sky telling them so

Religion is probably the reason for 80% of all conflict ex. the crusades, protestant massacars and muslim bombings

There is

religon is disease that can do way more harm than good

but I also respect the fact that it will always exist.

And that there are good believers

Fuck

why

it can though

there can be morals without god

you see, murdering each other will stop our species from reproducing, so those who do it kinda die out in evolution.

oof

bad internet

Morals, but without god: A general behavior pattern that helps our species not die out, as is the only goal in life every single living creature shares, to keep our species alive. also, we have feelings, if those feelings are hurt, we don't like it. and if most people share the same feelings about something, they call it immoral, and some people with a god-complex call it immmoral even if only they don't like it.

Our Society runs on the remnants of the dying religions around us, slowly being replaced by better, fairer atheist policies

Noone told you this is your goal. And yet, it is. Or, at least it should be. Stop desperatly clinging to the Idea of a higher being. You can live the same without this belief. Well, besides being ejected from your toxic extreme-christian community oyu seem to revell in

@Draško look, I'm not going to keep arguing Religion with you. You clearly do not want to be convinced otherwise, but think you desperatly need to change me for 'the better'. And I do not wish to be convinced bcause I am very sure in my non-belief. as you can see, we both have the same problem of not wanting to be ocnvinced of the others point, and we can't see each others stance at all. Us arguing any more about Religion is pointless.

i am answering your questions. You just keep ignoring it because ti challenges your viewpoint and you can't handle that.

Look, drasko, I'm not going to keep arguing this with you because you clearly have no intentions of attempting to see my viewpoint.

there is no objective worth to anything.

we have to make it worth something to us.

because there is no such thing as objective morality

No morality is subjective and caused by the chemicals in our brains.

Morality is not a social construct. But it helped constrcut society.

That does not mean it's a social construct.

Please, shut up. This is going nowhere.

No. It's just me saying that neither party is willing to accept the others reasoning.

I have thoguht about it alot. You clearly haven't.

now please stfu

You're No better.

@Sentient23 Religion dictates morality as much as atheism dictates morality. You can justify murder through religious figures, just like the numerous people who have been killed over Israel and Palestine. Let’s not forget the Nazis were also Christians spreading their message of anti Jew behavior. Let’s not forget that the KKK is a Christian based group. And let us not forget that ISIS kills for religious morals. To say that morals cant exist without religion is like saying you can’t be a good person without paying indulgence. Humanists believe in doing good without divine intervention. I don’t need a god to tell me what is right and wrong. Not all atheists are nilihsts, and not all religious peoples are killers. Be good for the sake of being good. Don’t let a divine figure tell you why you can’t do something bad. there can be a discussion on the role of religion has on society, but it is a society as a whole that dictates the rules, society not religion typically dictate morals. The absence of religion is not the absence of morality. insofar we are all human. I find peace in knowing I can dictate my own reality. What comes after death isn’t “nothing” it just isn’t a god.

So in a world run by Christian morality we have killers, pedos, and terrible people?

Nice

You don’t need a higher authority to follow basic morality. Religion is a social contract implemented into other humans. That’s why we invented it in the first place.

Reilgion is a social construct

The only thing stopping people from raping kids is their beliefs. That’s a universal fact

I’m not against believing in a higher authority.

Everythijng is a social construct

to prevent you from going crazy

Athism and theism are no exception

Well It js

My point is now the opposite

everything is a social construct.