*Would Rome have lasted longer with or without the religious reforms of Constantine and his successors?*
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Rome was full of homosexuals good thing it fell

Constantine was trying to unify Christianity as it was growing

If his reforms didn't happen then there would be massive unrest within the empire between the different sects of Christianity, and I'm not necessarily saying that there wasn't already, but it was important

^correct opinion

^correct opinion

The Holy Roman empire wasn't Rome.

What does that have to do with what

It was a response to @OrthoGoat though I suppose the holy Roman empire may have also had issues with homosexuals

But wouldn't christian Rome not have homosexuals anymore?

Which is why I said, "The Holy Roman empire is not truly Rome"

But what does the HRE have to do with Rome?

Or this question?

I see his reformation as the death of Rome and the start of something completely made inaccessible to European and Mediterranean identity. This marriage of Christian beliefs and government into a "Christian Rome" controlled people with exoteric Platonic forms as opposed to teaching them the underlying framework Christianity was based on and has only served to leave us with a vestigial remnant of a dead era

The more you employ social restriction as an external force on your population, the more feminine they become. They are being made formless to occupy an ideal stated by the controlling powers.

Rome fell as a result of overexertion and monotheism

@Light Havent seen you in a while

But still, Christian Rome =/= HRE

I think lead poisoning also helped with the collapse.

point is religion didn't really impact it.

> lead poisoning

The Romans were one of the first people that had plumbing.
problem is that all their pipes were made out of lead.
There is a reason we don't use lead pipes and weld cans closed with lead anymore.

In fact the word "plumber" was derived from the Latin word for lead.

But then why did lead poisoning contribute to the fall of the empire since the lead pipes had always existed?

I think it took a while to pile up.
I'm not an expert on Rome but I don't think mass lead poisoning helped things.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/lead-poisoning/symptoms-causes/syc-20354717
I mean having this stuff on a really big scale doesn't really help with the stability of a nation.

I still don't understand why all the denominations are at each other's throats

if you are all Christians Why can't you get along and civilly discuss doctrinal differences

I think it is weird that despite being the same base religion, you all hate each other

isn't that heretical?

ig the thing I disagree with most is the church being involved in the government

not only are you forcing everyone to adopt the same mindset, the church can easily become corrupted with that much power

and i don't see the government as a moral enforcer

that's not what the state job is

it is to create a level playing field economically

all that will happen when you fuse the church and state is that people will become mad

“should, yeah, should, that’s nice, yeah.”

what are you talking about

@moira what you say sounds nice, but it's heresy. We cannot endorse schismatics or heretics, or you are supporting sin. You are called to spread Christ. Nor can it be said that the states job is purely economic, that will lead to the fall of a nation, and is anti biblical and heresy.

And the church cannot be corrupted, according to Christ.

what is anti Biblical is not showing kindness to others