You aren't preventing the end.

Why does that matter in the end its still the same sex with out procreative

The sin is in the intent of the action here.

The fact that states acknowledge marriage outside of the bounds of Christianity

Means marriage isn't specifically Christian

Atleasr not anymore oof

😔

Although I forgot where it says homosexuality is sinful

@Eoppa their is intent, people could chose to do ivf instead

Old testemant isn't it?

The retconned one

@Eoppa but instead they do sex which they know has the possibility to be a sin

```"it is necessary that each and every marriage act remain ordered per se to the procreation of human life."``` this is the official magisterium.

*ordered to*

@Eoppa yes so they should do ivf instead of sex because sex can turn out to be non procreative

In vitro usually involves masturbation.

And an egg of another woman I believe

```Therefore, any case of heterologous in vitro fertilization, artificial insemination, or surrogate motherhood is considered “gravely immoral” (Catechism, #2376).```

It involves the woman you would be married to

And adultering with another

And you can get sperm out with mastruabrtion a needle would work

Irrelevant, the whole process is sinful

@Eoppa how is it adulturing?

Heterologous IVF is using the egg of another woman

Homologous IVF removes the unitive act

(And heterologous)

Well so is sex @Eoppa you can have sex with out children and that sex and the main purpose of family is to be procreative so theirfore procreative is more important

> ```"it is necessary that each and every marriage act remain ordered per se to the procreation of human life."``` this is the official magisterium.
@Eoppa

"More important" no

You cannot remove one part

I already said this

Where in the Bible does it say sex outside marriage is a sin

Not trying to refute

Plus they can hold hands

Genuinely curious

Fornication is sex outside of marriage

Unitive what does it mean btw @Eoppa

@Eoppa Yes ok, and the verse?

Religion and subjective moral codes aside, homosexuality isn't a choice. Hence, whichever religion punishes people for something that they did not choose and cannot change, is an evil one, and must be eradicated completely, for the sake of humanity itself.

@Maksim how many?