Message from @Royal Chaotic
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The sin is in the intent of the action here.
The fact that states acknowledge marriage outside of the bounds of Christianity
Means marriage isn't specifically Christian
Atleasr not anymore oof
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Although I forgot where it says homosexuality is sinful
@Eoppa their is intent, people could chose to do ivf instead
Old testemant isn't it?
The retconned one
@Eoppa but instead they do sex which they know has the possibility to be a sin
```"it is necessary that each and every marriage act remain orderedΒ per seΒ to the procreation of human life."``` this is the official magisterium.
*ordered to*
@Eoppa yes so they should do ivf instead of sex because sex can turn out to be non procreative
In vitro usually involves masturbation.
And an egg of another woman I believe
```Therefore, any case of heterologous in vitro fertilization, artificial insemination, or surrogate motherhood is considered βgravely immoralβ (Catechism, #2376).```
It involves the woman you would be married to
And adultering with another
And you can get sperm out with mastruabrtion a needle would work
Irrelevant, the whole process is sinful
Heterologous IVF is using the egg of another woman
Homologous IVF removes the unitive act
(And heterologous)
Well so is sex @Eoppa you can have sex with out children and that sex and the main purpose of family is to be procreative so theirfore procreative is more important
> ```"it is necessary that each and every marriage act remain orderedΒ per seΒ to the procreation of human life."``` this is the official magisterium.
@Eoppa
"More important" no
You cannot remove one part
I already said this
Where in the Bible does it say sex outside marriage is a sin
Not trying to refute
Plus they can hold hands
Genuinely curious
Fornication is sex outside of marriage
Unitive what does it mean btw @Eoppa
Religion and subjective moral codes aside, homosexuality isn't a choice. Hence, whichever religion punishes people for something that they did not choose and cannot change, is an evil one, and must be eradicated completely, for the sake of humanity itself.
But now I tell you: if a man divorces his wife for any cause other than her unfaithfulness, then he is guilty of making her commit adultery if she marries again; and the man who marries her commits adultery also.
Matthew 5:32
For from your heart come the evil ideas which lead you to kill, commit adultery, and do other immoral things; to rob, lie, and slander others.
Matthew 15:19