Therefore uh, gays should be able to marry

And have it be recognized as such

@✧☽ 𝒹 𝓇 𝑒 𝒶 𝓂 𝒾 𝓃 𝑔 ☾✧ no other religion nor state has the sacrament of marriage.

Nobody gives a fuck about things that aren't Christianity

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Does marriage exist between athiests

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No

No

@✧☽ 𝒹 𝓇 𝑒 𝒶 𝓂 𝒾 𝓃 𝑔 ☾✧ no that's fake marriage

😂

Lol ok then

@Spider Sutra unironically yes

you're using different definitions of the word

A marriage that isn't a union under God isn't a marriage

@✧☽ 𝒹 𝓇 𝑒 𝒶 𝓂 𝒾 𝓃 𝑔 ☾✧ when you say marriage you mean what 99% of people mean

No, a civil union and the sacrament cannot be conflated

when they say marriage they mean the kind of marriage which only christians are allowed to ahve

@Eoppa you didn't awnser me, why isnt sex that results in no children not sinful? Its not procreative, why does it matter weather its purposeful.

You aren't preventing the end.

Why does that matter in the end its still the same sex with out procreative

The sin is in the intent of the action here.

The fact that states acknowledge marriage outside of the bounds of Christianity

Means marriage isn't specifically Christian

Atleasr not anymore oof

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Although I forgot where it says homosexuality is sinful

@Eoppa their is intent, people could chose to do ivf instead

Old testemant isn't it?

The retconned one

@Eoppa but instead they do sex which they know has the possibility to be a sin

```"it is necessary that each and every marriage act remain ordered per se to the procreation of human life."``` this is the official magisterium.

*ordered to*

@Eoppa yes so they should do ivf instead of sex because sex can turn out to be non procreative

In vitro usually involves masturbation.

And an egg of another woman I believe

```Therefore, any case of heterologous in vitro fertilization, artificial insemination, or surrogate motherhood is considered “gravely immoral” (Catechism, #2376).```

It involves the woman you would be married to

And adultering with another

And you can get sperm out with mastruabrtion a needle would work

Irrelevant, the whole process is sinful