Message from @Royal Chaotic
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No
No
@β§β½ πΉ π π πΆ π πΎ π π βΎβ§ no that's fake marriage
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Lol ok then
@Spider Sutra unironically yes
you're using different definitions of the word
A marriage that isn't a union under God isn't a marriage
@β§β½ πΉ π π πΆ π πΎ π π βΎβ§ when you say marriage you mean what 99% of people mean
No, a civil union and the sacrament cannot be conflated
when they say marriage they mean the kind of marriage which only christians are allowed to ahve
@Eoppa you didn't awnser me, why isnt sex that results in no children not sinful? Its not procreative, why does it matter weather its purposeful.
You aren't preventing the end.
Why does that matter in the end its still the same sex with out procreative
The sin is in the intent of the action here.
The fact that states acknowledge marriage outside of the bounds of Christianity
Means marriage isn't specifically Christian
Atleasr not anymore oof
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Although I forgot where it says homosexuality is sinful
Old testemant isn't it?
The retconned one
@Eoppa but instead they do sex which they know has the possibility to be a sin
```"it is necessary that each and every marriage act remain orderedΒ per seΒ to the procreation of human life."``` this is the official magisterium.
*ordered to*
@Eoppa yes so they should do ivf instead of sex because sex can turn out to be non procreative
In vitro usually involves masturbation.
And an egg of another woman I believe
```Therefore, any case of heterologous in vitro fertilization, artificial insemination, or surrogate motherhood is considered βgravely immoralβ (Catechism, #2376).```
It involves the woman you would be married to
And adultering with another
And you can get sperm out with mastruabrtion a needle would work
Irrelevant, the whole process is sinful
@Eoppa how is it adulturing?
Heterologous IVF is using the egg of another woman
Homologous IVF removes the unitive act
(And heterologous)
Well so is sex @Eoppa you can have sex with out children and that sex and the main purpose of family is to be procreative so theirfore procreative is more important
> ```"it is necessary that each and every marriage act remain orderedΒ per seΒ to the procreation of human life."``` this is the official magisterium.
@Eoppa
"More important" no