Message from @Royal Chaotic
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And an egg of another woman I believe
```Therefore, any case of heterologous in vitro fertilization, artificial insemination, or surrogate motherhood is considered “gravely immoral” (Catechism, #2376).```
It involves the woman you would be married to
And adultering with another
And you can get sperm out with mastruabrtion a needle would work
Irrelevant, the whole process is sinful
@Eoppa how is it adulturing?
Heterologous IVF is using the egg of another woman
Homologous IVF removes the unitive act
(And heterologous)
Well so is sex @Eoppa you can have sex with out children and that sex and the main purpose of family is to be procreative so theirfore procreative is more important
> ```"it is necessary that each and every marriage act remain ordered per se to the procreation of human life."``` this is the official magisterium.
@Eoppa
"More important" no
You cannot remove one part
I already said this
Where in the Bible does it say sex outside marriage is a sin
Not trying to refute
Plus they can hold hands
Genuinely curious
Fornication is sex outside of marriage
Religion and subjective moral codes aside, homosexuality isn't a choice. Hence, whichever religion punishes people for something that they did not choose and cannot change, is an evil one, and must be eradicated completely, for the sake of humanity itself.
But now I tell you: if a man divorces his wife for any cause other than her unfaithfulness, then he is guilty of making her commit adultery if she marries again; and the man who marries her commits adultery also.
Matthew 5:32
For from your heart come the evil ideas which lead you to kill, commit adultery, and do other immoral things; to rob, lie, and slander others.
Matthew 15:19
What
I tell you, then, that any man who divorces his wife for any cause other than her unfaithfulness, commits adultery if he marries some other woman.”
Matthew 19:9
It's adultery
Not fornication
They are 2 different things
No, this is saying there is no such thing as the end of marriage to God
A civil divorce doesn't nullify a marriage
Yes how does this matter to what I was asking
Trying to end that bond is sinful and impossible
That isn't what I asked tho
I asked where it says sex outside of marriage (sex *before* marriage) is a sin
Fornication is all sex outside of marriage
The distinction is made in the second verse in the screenshot
It includes adultery but isn't limited