Yeah

Mao China, India were socialist

ages ago

USSR of course was

Yugoslavia

Not true

Eastern bloc

yes true

being realistic Catalonia didnt really work out well

^

They all had commodity production

just like every other socialist country

commodity production =/= not socialism

Read Bordiga

how do you actually have an economy without commodity production

>you don't

nah but fr

we are getting into some kind of utopian thinking here

commodity production not occuring is communismm

It was not produced under primitive communism

Communism as the vision of a society without any money or any kind of commodity production is unrealistic

of course

simply having money is not an inherently bad thing

Wow, look at tribal society @UNITE THE RIGHT

Commodity production happening does not mean it is not socialism

tribal societies havent done very well

@sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ that is going against Marx's own saying

Where did he say it

so, using your terms, what is to stop "capitalism" from turning into a "market economy" Side? lol

Plus they actually did for thousands of years @UNITE THE RIGHT

because commodity production stopping is communism

tribal socieities had far lower standards of living

they did it for thousaands of years in shit quality of life

this isnt really a case of opinion i mean, just looking at infant mortality etc

this guy wants to argue tribalism is good

i've been to some places where they have tribalism

this is why socialists are out of touch

i went to Morocco and stayed with some nomads

its not a realistic plan for the entire world

@t r u e ?

Of course not