Read Bordiga

how do you actually have an economy without commodity production

>you don't

nah but fr

we are getting into some kind of utopian thinking here

commodity production not occuring is communismm

It was not produced under primitive communism

Communism as the vision of a society without any money or any kind of commodity production is unrealistic

of course

simply having money is not an inherently bad thing

Wow, look at tribal society @UNITE THE RIGHT

Commodity production happening does not mean it is not socialism

tribal societies havent done very well

@sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ that is going against Marx's own saying

Where did he say it

so, using your terms, what is to stop "capitalism" from turning into a "market economy" Side? lol

Plus they actually did for thousands of years @UNITE THE RIGHT

because commodity production stopping is communism

tribal socieities had far lower standards of living

they did it for thousaands of years in shit quality of life

this isnt really a case of opinion i mean, just looking at infant mortality etc

this guy wants to argue tribalism is good

i've been to some places where they have tribalism

this is why socialists are out of touch

i went to Morocco and stayed with some nomads

its not a realistic plan for the entire world

@t r u e ?

Of course not

these guys are starving, tribalism will just end up in anarchy

Tribalism is retarded

anything apart from capitalism is shit

sorry, just got back so i guess I'm fucking up the conversation. I'll ask some other time.

no becuase remember real communism hasn't been tried.

It actually hasnt

It WaSnt ReAl coMMunism

bash the fash u feel me?

yeah it hasn't

but it can't work for one

Not actually true

everytime socialism has been tried it's failed

yes true