Message from @InsaneCaterpilla
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Look at all the people just flat out assuming he beat and abused her from one photo....
"If he’s begging her forgiveness we don’t know what he did. She could be in the right." Is correct. It's not really right for us to speculate either way
I don't think the post is meant to illustrate he's not guilty of something during the marriage, only to show that people assume he is guilty
@turbulance4 read a bit further down.
From one photo they get everything from black eyes covered by sunglasses to a lifetime of abuse. I'm not even saying it isn't true - only that it's a whopping assumption and that she could just as easily be the abuser. Only they downvote everyone who even says that it's an assumption.
Isn't it that in most abusive relations that both partners are at fault? that violence reciprocates violence?
AFAIK yes
A lot of times violence is mutual
Yup
Honestly, we should do one of those civil disobedience things where every man paying alimony, child support, or spousal support should just stop paying and accept the consequences
And then just check in on how the women and their children are doing, since obviously they still have jobs and are making money
Would be a great wake-up call
Only thing to work out is how we move our money somewhere the government can't take it
Violence is almost never one sided in a relationship
define "almost never"
I think the civil disobedience thing is a great idea. Maybe call it 'Men on Strike' or 'Slaves to Divorce' or something.
Actually, I was thinking about it last night, and I've got a perfect way to make it work
Just have everyone go overseas, and then stop paying
Make the government try to extradite every last one of them
That would definitely get some attention
How do you figure that those paying child support from poor backgrounds are able to afford flights or travel when all their money is taken directly out of their pay cheque.
Many wouldn't go and be apart from whatever limited access to their children gives them.
The government would also seize whatever assets they may leave behind.
Nowhere near enough people would ever do it.
They'd seize them if they stayed here too
In all cases? No, they'd only seize those that couldn't pay, they wouldn't seize when they just pay unreasonable amounts but can pay it
And honestly, I have some steps. Sell all your property, move all your money to a foreign bank account, and then leave
I honestly feel like more people would do it that way
I mean who genuinely wants to lose all their assets, have their wages garnished, face tens of thousands in debt, and go to jail?
We can at least try to make it hard for the government to get anything out of it
Once they are extradited, all of that will happen, where it may not happen otherwise.
You might get some people to do this but the monumental task if getting them all to do it at the same time is unrealistic
Also, if you hit the government in the wallet, which what I'm describing definitely will, that'll be taken more seriously
You know how much it costs to extradite every last person paying child support or alimony in the US?
You've gotta go through the legal procedure and pay to have them flown back
and then put them in jail
For every single one of them
The costs would be monumental
I imagine the government wouldn't even do it. The costs would probably outweigh the benefit of seizing a bunch of poor people's bank accounts
Who's gonna pay for the poor people to leave the country and the costs of living in another one? You?
I'm not rich, but I bet I could find someone who could assist in funding people who can't afford a plane ticket and a few months' rent
Plane tickets aren't so expensive these days either, so if you go somewhere else and get a job there, I bet you'd be fine
How would it only be a few months though, if they're poor they may not have marketable job skills, in a new country they have no legal right to work in meaning they'll probably be working below minimum wage if they do find employment there. It'll be an on going cost to try and support them
If they're capable of surviving here, they can probably survive somewhere else in the world. If not, the way I see it, we're giving them a chance to stick it to the people who put them there and give them some help on the side. It's not just going to be pitifully poor people doing this either. Middle class people who aren't doing hot because of payments could probably also participate. And all of this is assuming that there's not enough funding to make this last for years
Honestly, just one year is probably enough