Message from @lazzzycarrot(30) / senpai(40)

Discord ID: 521551125103509580


2018-12-09 17:24:38 UTC  

how are you?

2018-12-09 19:01:43 UTC  

Doing alright! Just redesigning the mobile site.

2018-12-09 19:01:47 UTC  

How about you?

2018-12-09 20:02:13 UTC  

It seems so silly that there are not more female content creators in the spotlight, they get so much support it seems silly that they just completely squander it.

2018-12-09 20:03:59 UTC  

Granted, the majority of creators that are women tend to gravitate more towards makeup and product reviews, so I doubt you will see many of them on any gaming channels or stuff like that

2018-12-09 20:40:33 UTC  

A woman who has made a number of unsubstantiated rape allegations.

2018-12-09 23:51:26 UTC  

why is male suicide higher then female?

2018-12-09 23:54:58 UTC  

ive allways wondered that

2018-12-09 23:57:41 UTC  

There are quite a few contributing factors, but I think a big reason if because getting help when you are in a bad mind space isn’t seen as appropriate by a lot of men, where women are expected to always share their feelings.

2018-12-09 23:59:18 UTC  

A lot of men won’t reach out when they need help because they fear being mocked or ignored or just don’t know where to find help so don’t bother with it

2018-12-10 00:01:58 UTC  

I thought the attempt at suicide is higher for women but the actual fatal results are higher for men since they tend to take more serious routes guns etc

2018-12-10 00:03:04 UTC  

I think also since women are more likely to talk about it, someone is more likely to intervene, even in a serious attempt

2018-12-10 00:05:03 UTC  

Agreed and the method often used by females such as pills, often have a longer period of being able to recover from

2018-12-10 00:06:15 UTC  

Either way, my point still stays the same, there needs to be outlets for men to express these kinds of thoughts without the fear of being either shunned or ignored

2018-12-10 03:33:34 UTC  

From my understanding, both of those arguments are the leading contributors.

2018-12-10 04:20:55 UTC  

2018-12-10 04:56:37 UTC  

@lazzzycarrot(30) / senpai(40) the attempt at suicide rate does appear to be higher for women. However, actual suicides aren't just slightly more male, but closer to 3x more male (slightly more depending on age, slightly less if you stick to a more restrictive category like teen only).

2018-12-10 04:57:29 UTC  

Moreover, unlike what you may have heard, women attempt suicide only about 1.2x than men: https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/

2018-12-10 04:57:49 UTC  

The 2x figure is based on ER statistics

2018-12-10 04:57:58 UTC  

I think we’re saying the same thing

2018-12-10 04:58:24 UTC  

We are saying similar things

2018-12-10 04:58:51 UTC  

My point is that those statistics aren't really explainable by "men are somewhat better at actually comitting suicide"

2018-12-10 04:59:21 UTC  

It is a possible explanation, but not something that is close to being demonstrated

2018-12-10 05:00:49 UTC  

I think the data puts "actual fatal results are higher for men since they tend to take more serious routes guns etc" in a bit of perspective

2018-12-10 05:01:52 UTC  

It’s a fact that men use more violent means than women

2018-12-10 05:02:43 UTC  

It is, but that's reaching. Men continue to have similarly inflated suicide rates even in the absence of the most violent means (firearms)

2018-12-10 05:04:01 UTC  

I don't believe there is a serious source that establishes that as the explanatory factor for the severity of the difference

2018-12-10 05:05:12 UTC  

It is *a* reason, sure, but it really shouldn't be used to explain the problem as a whole

2018-12-10 05:07:56 UTC  

Firearms were just one example that’s why I used etc. I understand where your coming from. However, I’m from the US so maybe using a gun was a bad example since they aren’t so prevalent in other sides of the world. But what is consistent in most studies is that the mode of suicide tends to be more violent which mean leading to a higher success rate

2018-12-10 05:09:11 UTC  

Yes, that is indeed consistent. But that leading to a higher rate doesn't explain the rate.

2018-12-10 05:09:27 UTC  

For instance, that study you cited showed nearly half of men and women who comitted suicide used the same method. Any difference in method literally cannot explain a 3x higher suicide rate in men

2018-12-10 05:11:32 UTC  

Did you read why they speculate that as well ?

2018-12-10 05:11:43 UTC  

Why were the women who attempted using that method more likely to survive? Because they then phoned an ambulance or someone was nearby to help?

2018-12-10 05:12:13 UTC  

InsaneCaterpilla, unfortunately, I've looked at the data and that particular explanation for why women attempt suicide more doesn't really explain the data either

2018-12-10 05:12:26 UTC  

I can't prove that explanation is false

2018-12-10 05:12:35 UTC  

but I can't substantiate that explanation as being worthwhile either

2018-12-10 05:12:52 UTC  

So I don't think it is a proper way to approach the problem

2018-12-10 05:13:50 UTC  

Mmm

2018-12-10 05:13:57 UTC  

@InsaneCaterpilla I can only speculate that women are more open to telling their problems