Modern capitalism really is mostly liberalism

Which is the issue

When you try to follow the non-regulations to the letter you arrive at liberalism, but if you decide not to follow it to the letter you might get a system that is still economically attractive without (or at least a very limited amount of) degenerate behaviour.

Take liberal politics out of economics

Companies like Disney, Google, Amazon, etc need to be smacked

Hard

Agreed.

The latter would always eventually evolve into the former

There's no point to try taking politics out of corporations, it's impossible nowadays

I mean both are basically entertwined, and have been for a few good decades at least.

I just want the (((Banks))) to fail

Put the pressure on the boards of the companies

See I actually think in modern day, the companies are scarier than the banks

But of course the banks were "too big" to fail

they're on the same team

True

I think there needs to be a point where we say “we’re tired of getting our political views from companies”

You want to start a revolution or change the world? its pretty easy you just have to get enough people together and convince them they are under attack by some kind of foe. That's essentially how every significant movement in history has come to pass for better or worse.

The left is great at it

"Hey you non white people, you're being oppressed by whites! Remember slavery!?"

etc etc

Money, media, and education are the three corner stones or power, aside from raw force, who in their right mind would think it's a good idea to give it away to foreign powers?

Banks should never be private imo

You want a revolution? You need to loosen the grip media has on people.

yeah

That’s the absolute first thing.

And thankfully in the US people are still armed

The task is getting them to use said arms to good use

Maybe it would be good to elliminate big corpo from the market and replace it with a mixture of private business owners and maybe worker communes (hate the name). Such structures could be more socially responsible then what we have now.

@Aki you said "The way I see it we have two theoretical models that do not exist in practice. What we have in practice are markets with varying levels of regulation." this would be a conflation of capitalism with a laissez faire economy, capitalism in no way discusses regulation its the idea of having capital.

I'd agree that laissez faire is not reasonably possible

most notably because regulations on safety and polution

What I meant is the free market model. Outside of that I don't find arguing about definitions to be particularly productive... but I also don't think that using a definition that encompasses everything outside of some autistic commie wet dream to be particularly practical. ;p Putting aside the fact that we disagree about what should be regulated (and that is a given taking the into account some booming facts ;p) I think that the reason why a free market can't exist in practice is the same reason why communism can't exist in practice and that is the so called human nature. We are too tribal to be able to live as individuals alone and too individualistic to be treated like automatons.

> founder of capitalism
> Karl Marx

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I think they may be referring to how Marx coined the term Capitalism?

even then id say Adam Smith was the founder

Marx coined the term, but he didn't create the system he called capitalism

imagine thinking that Marx created a system just to destroy it

Pretty Chad move right there

God-Marx, who creates economic systems only so that he could urge the masses to destroy them

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