I agree

exactly!

it is in the human nature

Well, yeah. The most extreme hedonists are religous puritans

Doing what they can to avoid infinate pain and gain infinite pleasure

I would argue the Rothschilds of the world are de facto hedonists

They seek material pleasure

@Redneo human beings are deemed to make mistakes. And if you had more pleasure before a certain action (e.g. breakup) you only know afterwards

One cannot experience joy without sorrow. One cannot experience virtue without knowing what vice is.

One cannot appreciate life without the presence of death

And hedonists only search positive experiences

Says who?

If experiencing bad things enhances pleasure afterwards - which it does - it would logicly follow that youd seek out those bad things, too.

If you are a hedonist, that is

Thats not how a hedonist thinks

thats how ascets think

@Mysteriedingens what life style do you live other than Mgtow , and if so are you content.

I think hedonism just got a bad rep becouse everyone and their mom took cyreanics and called it hedonism

The epicurian lifestyle

@ZODD I pursue mindfulness and stoicism

Ok. But are you content

I am not completely content. But i think you can't be completely. I am surrounded by circumstances that limit my control. However i always work towards that goal

mindfulness is defined as moment-by-moment awareness of thoughts, feelings, bodily sensations, and surrounding environment, characterized mainly by "acceptance" which i heavily pursue to have at all time

LoL isn't that a contradiction, in a light manner. Heh. But yes Stoicism is a Man Like Quality. BRAVO

Stoicism is a unreachable goal aswell. Like Hedonism.

LoL

Mindfullness is the middlepath that i think is to pursue

And even with that in stress-situations when your cortisol shoots in it is not completely possible

I tend to write messages to myself i read if i am overwhelmed by stress, which makes your mind undeniably cloudy. It helps to some extent

What lifestyle do you see yourself living in @ZODD

@Mysteriedingens stoicism is unreachable? Why?

Honestly, I just Want my own Mansion and a bunch of whores to fuck

@Kazemaru stoicism is defined by "the endurance of pain or hardship without the display of feelings and without complaint."

That is impossible for a human being

Difficult but not impossible

It goes against the biology of humans

If you feel a feeling of sadness coming because of a certain situation, it is impossible to make it go away, you are only able to suppress it.

A situation doesnt really manage to bring me to sadness.

I know which is why the best course of action is to calmly accept the emotion and express it differently

that is mindfulness

Mindfulness is accepting your feelings rather than trying to kill them

play russian roulette and you can see how far stoicism is possible. Thats what i mean.