Message from @Bear
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what *is* your ethnicity, if you don’t mind my asking?
im chinese
idk, here’s the thing to me
before, in places like the US and the UK, immigrant groups would temporarily cause a scare at first and then it would peter away because said immigrant groups would gradually assimilate themselves within a decade or so into the local culture
they assimilated because of stuff like this
rampant racism and discrimination, being killed, that stuff happened to basically any immigrant group
they assimilated because they had to to survive
are you saying it’s better not to assimilate?
What's the saying, when in rome do as the Roman's do
when the alternative is basically death apparently not
thing is, there are enough muslim immigrants to create their own subcommunity and remain isolated
it’s when you *don’t* assimilate that discord grows between ethnic groups
they don't have to interact with the white majority
Which creates problems when things conflict with the laws of the land
and it’s when these muslim enclaves force islamic law onto non-muslims that this really pisses people off
my point here is that this is relatively different from most other instnaces of immgrant groups
correct
previous immigrant groups didn’t attempt to enforce their cultural customs onto the majority
It's a different kind of immigration too, traditionally it's been European waves of immigration, where the values were skewed but mostly inline
you can walk through Chinatown or the Irish Quarter without being told to put on a head covering, like my mother was when we were walking quietly through a Muslim neighbourhood in London
right because if they did shit like what just happened would happen to them
this is the same sorta shit thats been happening to immigrant groups
you *don’t* have the right to force foreign customs on locals when you are the outsider
this is the same expectation if you work as an ex-pat in Hong Kong or Shanghai
it isn’t exclusive to Western countries
this is common sense
I hate to use the word but it's better to go along with the flow in public, makes things better overall
refusing to assimilate is the genesis for these sorts of problems
and you know what? we know historically Muslims *can* assimilate, they are deliberately choosing not to now
even when you do assimilate the otherization just becomes less obvious
if you want a great example, in the 60’s to the 80’s there was a wave of Turkish immigration to Western Germany. The Turkish families that moved to Germany picked up German, started businesses that integrated Turkish dishes into German meals or provided Turkish goods, and they became a normal part of the German population with no race riots or mass shootings necessary
i sincerely doubt there wasnt some sort of violence
they didn’t try to force German women to wear head coverings or police the streets with religious militias
you’re welcome to check for yourself.
they didn't have the numbers to be confident enough to try it
if they’re always going to do it if they have enough numbers, then why do we need to let them live in our countries?
why do we have to let them introduce inharmony in cities and create no-go zones that are unpoliceable?
why do we have to accept that when they inevitably go to a Salafist mosque and are indoctrinated into extremist ideologies that they cause mass stabbings and bombings in our city centres?