@Fluffles whites have lived in New Zealand since the 1700s, you can’t act as if it isn’t a homeland for large numbers of white people now.

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true enough

if you live anywhere in the US/UK/CAN/AUS/NZ Anglosphere it’s pretty much a given that most of the people there are white and most of them have been living in these respective lands for hundreds of years now.

see i think i have a very different perspective as a nonwhite in the anglosphere

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what *is* your ethnicity, if you don’t mind my asking?

im chinese

idk, here’s the thing to me

before, in places like the US and the UK, immigrant groups would temporarily cause a scare at first and then it would peter away because said immigrant groups would gradually assimilate themselves within a decade or so into the local culture

they assimilated because of stuff like this

rampant racism and discrimination, being killed, that stuff happened to basically any immigrant group

they assimilated because they had to to survive

are you saying it’s better not to assimilate?

What's the saying, when in rome do as the Roman's do

when the alternative is basically death apparently not

thing is, there are enough muslim immigrants to create their own subcommunity and remain isolated

it’s when you *don’t* assimilate that discord grows between ethnic groups

they don't have to interact with the white majority

Which creates problems when things conflict with the laws of the land

and it’s when these muslim enclaves force islamic law onto non-muslims that this really pisses people off

my point here is that this is relatively different from most other instnaces of immgrant groups

correct

previous immigrant groups didn’t attempt to enforce their cultural customs onto the majority

It's a different kind of immigration too, traditionally it's been European waves of immigration, where the values were skewed but mostly inline

It's a shit storm of circumstance and the current zeitgeist

you can walk through Chinatown or the Irish Quarter without being told to put on a head covering, like my mother was when we were walking quietly through a Muslim neighbourhood in London

right because if they did shit like what just happened would happen to them

this is the same sorta shit thats been happening to immigrant groups

you *don’t* have the right to force foreign customs on locals when you are the outsider

this is the same expectation if you work as an ex-pat in Hong Kong or Shanghai

it isn’t exclusive to Western countries

this is common sense

I hate to use the word but it's better to go along with the flow in public, makes things better overall

refusing to assimilate is the genesis for these sorts of problems

and you know what? we know historically Muslims *can* assimilate, they are deliberately choosing not to now

even when you do assimilate the otherization just becomes less obvious

if you want a great example, in the 60’s to the 80’s there was a wave of Turkish immigration to Western Germany. The Turkish families that moved to Germany picked up German, started businesses that integrated Turkish dishes into German meals or provided Turkish goods, and they became a normal part of the German population with no race riots or mass shootings necessary

i sincerely doubt there wasnt some sort of violence

they didn’t try to force German women to wear head coverings or police the streets with religious militias