and good, there are winners and losers in society, sorry, but egalitarianism is idiodic, equal opportunity and outcome are both unnatural

outside of obvious limitations there aren't really any restrictions. The point I was making, and that I think bruce is trying to make, is that you don't have the same opportunities that he has. For example he has different regional opportunities, his social support system and connections etc. Nobody has identical opportunities is his point I believe

@TeeTotaler exactly my point

I could go persue hose opportunities

What's stopping me?

there are limited resources like time

I have a lot of time

they won't ever be identical is the point

I work for myself

that's what "equality" is

@TeeTotaler. Two pennies aren't identical, really going there?

they are equal in value

but they aren't the same object

having alot of time is not infinite time, it is stills scarce, and unbenounced to you, there are individuals that have less time than you and they cant

that's true, none of us can realistically claim how much time we have before we expire

If I am perfectly satisfied with where I am in life and you are also, what's the difference?

all of nature points to hierarchicalism

Wtf, really. Are we going to compare our birth circumstances and are who is better? Wtf

Lol

elaborate

well I mean to be fair humans are hierarchal beings

but "success" is definitely subjective and not very important

In the physical world, sure

But where do your happiness and mine compare in q heirarchy?

well I would imagine that since I am myself that I always rank higher than you do

im sure the Iroquois were successful in their own subjective opinion but they are not here right now, there are things which show success in nature and you have to step away from the subjective argument at some point

I might be a little bit biased in my favor though :p

This marxist stuff gets really boring , class heirarchies, yawn

Intersectionality is bad for your minds

my opinion of Marx is that he isn't a good philosopher. He seems to be perplexed as to why working classes of different nations don't work together and put themselves on the top of the hierarchy. Marx have you heard of basic human psychology?

I fukin hate socialist economic thinking

Marx is only popular because it's easy to read, prove me wrong

marx was the indivdual who came up with the idea of equal opportunity, it is a socialist idea

it's childlike, i agree @TeeTotaler

socialists never explain their model comprehensively, they just explain a part of a capitalist economic system that they don't understand, then say 'it doesn't work' then cite Marx

it's one reason people fall for it. it's easy to digest

no one here is a socialist in choosing besides maybe superherodeluxe, dont make this a marx sucks circle jerk @calman21

the socialist model doesn't take human nature or the nature of complex systems into account

awe, but I want to >_<

Related to Marx, I've noticed my college educated peers (specifically the ones going into the more liberal arts areas) have been having their smarts educated out of them.

i havent even read Marx, I just am venting about dumb socialists