I think trying to quantify "better" or "worse" on an individual level would be too hard and costly. I think on a collective level then you could have this argument

like, for example, its much easier to state like "this region is 'better' than this other region"

and to back that claim up

I know that I have all the opportunity to get what I want that everyone else has. @Brue thinks I dont

well technically you don't, but that depends on the scope you're looking at

@TeeTotaler. Show me some facts that prove I can't get what I want

@SuperHeroDeluxe there are african americans for one reason or another that have grown up in the hood, in a bad culture, without parents that support their education and no amount of access will change the fact that they could not put efforts towards education that you could, and then they will be behind in all aspects, while you can get a job anywhere with computerscience, the poor black kid in a bad gang culture and parental enviroment didnt even have the money or time or attention to do so. there is no equality of opporunity because you had different opportunities growing up.

and good, there are winners and losers in society, sorry, but egalitarianism is idiodic, equal opportunity and outcome are both unnatural

outside of obvious limitations there aren't really any restrictions. The point I was making, and that I think bruce is trying to make, is that you don't have the same opportunities that he has. For example he has different regional opportunities, his social support system and connections etc. Nobody has identical opportunities is his point I believe

@TeeTotaler exactly my point

I could go persue hose opportunities

What's stopping me?

there are limited resources like time

I have a lot of time

they won't ever be identical is the point

I work for myself

that's what "equality" is

@TeeTotaler. Two pennies aren't identical, really going there?

they are equal in value

but they aren't the same object

having alot of time is not infinite time, it is stills scarce, and unbenounced to you, there are individuals that have less time than you and they cant

that's true, none of us can realistically claim how much time we have before we expire

If I am perfectly satisfied with where I am in life and you are also, what's the difference?

all of nature points to hierarchicalism

Wtf, really. Are we going to compare our birth circumstances and are who is better? Wtf

Lol

elaborate

well I mean to be fair humans are hierarchal beings

but "success" is definitely subjective and not very important

In the physical world, sure

But where do your happiness and mine compare in q heirarchy?

well I would imagine that since I am myself that I always rank higher than you do

im sure the Iroquois were successful in their own subjective opinion but they are not here right now, there are things which show success in nature and you have to step away from the subjective argument at some point

I might be a little bit biased in my favor though :p

This marxist stuff gets really boring , class heirarchies, yawn

Intersectionality is bad for your minds

my opinion of Marx is that he isn't a good philosopher. He seems to be perplexed as to why working classes of different nations don't work together and put themselves on the top of the hierarchy. Marx have you heard of basic human psychology?

I fukin hate socialist economic thinking

Marx is only popular because it's easy to read, prove me wrong

marx was the indivdual who came up with the idea of equal opportunity, it is a socialist idea

it's childlike, i agree @TeeTotaler