Message from @Flavius Stilicho
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look at the widespread killing of livestock
just like in Zimbabwe kind of deal
the most thorough analysis i've seen comes from mark tauger which iirc estimates that around 75% of the harvest shortfall stemmed from natural causes
they got rid of the people who knew how to farm
stalin saw that as an act of war during a famine
boom, famine
People don't care about fields they don't own as much. There's so many accounts of this
zimbabwe isn't quite the same though
in zimbabwe they gave farms to people who had no farming experience
So it's exactly the same
in the ussr they just put them under the joint management of peasants and the state
no it's not the same
Zimbabwe had a famine because they kicked the white farmers out
Yeah that seems to be the case
you could argue that the peasants didn't know how to manage the farm or didn't have the proper incentives in place
but obviously they had farming experience
@ubermensch its weird how china has been racked with massive famines regularly since prehistoric times then after mao , one last famine and thrn they stopped hmmm
since they were peasants
And I'm sure the black people working on the farms in Zimbabwe knew how to use a plough
doesn't mean they can run the farm
China is currently the manager of a highly productive capitalism in their country
no they didn't have farming experience
who would win:
>> communist country
>> one virus
afaik
I mean
It’s been that way since 1977
@BabaBooey there haven't had consecutive famines since prehistoric times, you DO know that, right? There's generally a long period of time between two famines....
Same with Vietnam
there's a video of a white guy returning to Zimbabwe and his former farm-staff are all cheering
did farmers in zimbabwe slaughter millions of livestock as a protest ?
and they're all black
>Be Stalin
>see kulaks withholding food as act of war
>deport kulaks to Siberia
>food production goes down
>see poor farmers withholding sowing grain as act of war
>declare the farmers kulaks
>deport and shoot them
>famine accrues
>surprised pikachu face
@johl kohl thats not how the famine occured
is there any evidence that it was common for actualy peasants to be considered kulaks
It's one of the reasons
they weere also hoarding grain to sell to starving people
what was not an act of war to stalin?
and slaughtering livestock in protest
only a few thousand kulaks at most were directly executed