Message from @fvriovs
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Areas in Ukraine didn't produce as much food as expected after collectivisation...
Imagine my shock
Collectivization is a trash policy.
Zetsubou no hi, I think?
Well that's what happens when you tell the peasants it's the landowners who are causing their problems
so they all get killed or driven out
and then no food
And then pheasants are called kulaks
well i think that the majority of the harvest shortfall in that period was cause by natural phenomena
obviously the change in how farms were managed would lead to some short term disruption as well
Hm
No I think the majority was caused by killing the people who knew what they were doing
and giving the farms to people who didn't
look at the widespread killing of livestock
just like in Zimbabwe kind of deal
the most thorough analysis i've seen comes from mark tauger which iirc estimates that around 75% of the harvest shortfall stemmed from natural causes
they got rid of the people who knew how to farm
stalin saw that as an act of war during a famine
People don't care about fields they don't own as much. There's so many accounts of this
zimbabwe isn't quite the same though
in zimbabwe they gave farms to people who had no farming experience
So it's exactly the same
in the ussr they just put them under the joint management of peasants and the state
no it's not the same
Zimbabwe had a famine because they kicked the white farmers out
Yeah that seems to be the case
you could argue that the peasants didn't know how to manage the farm or didn't have the proper incentives in place
but obviously they had farming experience
@ubermensch its weird how china has been racked with massive famines regularly since prehistoric times then after mao , one last famine and thrn they stopped hmmm
since they were peasants
And I'm sure the black people working on the farms in Zimbabwe knew how to use a plough
doesn't mean they can run the farm
China is currently the manager of a highly productive capitalism in their country
no they didn't have farming experience
who would win:
>> communist country
>> one virus
afaik