@johl kohl thats not how the famine occured

is there any evidence that it was common for actualy peasants to be considered kulaks

It's one of the reasons

they weere also hoarding grain to sell to starving people

what was not an act of war to stalin?

and slaughtering livestock in protest

only a few thousand kulaks at most were directly executed

bread speculators

Ukraine was the breadbasket of Europe

You don't go from that to about 8 million deaths because of bad weather that just coincidentally happens to occur at around the same time the farm-managers are killed or driven out and the farms placed under 'collective' management, which seems to be a term for incompetent management

They slaughtered livestock, because that was the only food they had left

I bet he shot his own farts because it was an act of war on his nose

Then they ate cats

And dogs

stalin was retarded

Then mud

the ukraine can produce a lot of food but it can also produce very little

bulgaria is the breadbasket of europe

Only a few thousand?

ukraine is a very volatile place to grow crops

All while Stalin was exporting grain

the eastern european region has the highest yield variability of any major grain producing region in the world with the ukraine having the highest yield variability in that region

let's praise communism

Between 1917 to 1933 the estimates of Kulaks killed were 530,000 to 5,000,000

that means the amount of grain it produces fluctuates a lot

@fvriovs source?

what estimates are these

our groroius reader

mao peezdong

The Harvest of Sorrow: Soviet Collectivization and the Terror-Famine - Robert Conquest (1986)

Save us oh based communism

well sure uber, but it's still not quite the same as zimbabwe

how did conquest come to that estimate though

Don't be commiephobic, breathe it in, anon

How'd you get a few thousand

Conquest's are the higher end

Don't worry, it's just a flu

Census made by soviets in 1933 showed 8 million people less, than before famines and dekulakisation

i'm basing it off of the archives regarding executions carried out by the nkvd that were made available for public viewing after the fall of the ussr

the lower estimations are about 500,000

Yeah I don't believe for one second that the archives were fully disclosed

well i mean