the way its looked at here in general (in the uk, incase you didnt notice)

by the time the police show up, you're already dead, if you even were able to call them.

is its based on a sitation

like. if a burgular came in

thats because the UK is a nanny state

you have no rights

and you grabbed a fireplace ornament and whacked him over the head

once

killing him

obviously not run after them, thats why its a stand your ground.

what little the government lets you do is backed up by nothing at all

Oh God Dammit are we back on the rights thing again?

"oh well, shit happens"

its the 2nd hit that will get you

In Germany there's no "excessive force" until the threat ends.

Also, it's called Castle doctrine

if the UK government wanted to simply ignore all your rights and set up a police state there is nothing you could do to stop it

Or something like that, Joerg from the Slingshot Channel said it.

@radeon there is, but thats kind of out of the subject

such as?

I have the legal right to defend myself and my property

what are you gonna do, report the police to the police? write a strongly worded letter to your MP?

The US has also done draconian steps toward it, remember the PATRIOT act?

Complain to the US lol

"free man of the land"

the patriot act is indefensible yea

yeah, I fucking hate that shit, and want it gone

the US isnt perfect

The patriot act is defensible

Overly broad maybe

Yet people gave these rights up with enthusiasm

We didn't approve of the Patriot act.

no, we have been trying to get rid of it since it was put in place

you vastly overestimate how much americans agree with the decisions of their politicians.

except gitmo still exists

Didn't over 50% of American disapproved the Patriot act when it was suggested?

How many congesmen were repleaced because of it?

we fucking hate them

The people anyway

The people anyway

It's almost like the people have little control over the american politics because *very few care*