Message from @DanielKO
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Harris told her, jokingly, not to tell the child, because of what an 18 year old might do if they're told they do not have actual control over their own actions.
That is not advocating lying, no matter how you attempt to twist his words.
otherwise, every parent that hasn't transfered all of their collective knowledge to their children, would be classified as liars.
Here's the transcript:
- I have kids. So when it comes to free will, I get it, I'm completely on board, Sam, with your idea that there's no free will. When it comes to raising kids, where's the ...
- Don't tell them.
[laughter]
- I have an 18 year old boy who's gorgeous and when I'm trying to tell him to do the right thing and he does something stupid, and then I want to find out why he did that, I don't even ask, because that's a stupid question, because he doesn't even know why he did it. Because he's an 18 years old boy. But when I'm looking at impacting his future behavior, where's the practical separation between knowing that there's really no free will, and wanting your children to be responsible in their behavior and what they do in the world.
- [Sam proceeds to just bullshit a response that makes no sense, some rambling about discipline] But as far as what to tell kids, you need a strong sense of agency, that the measure of what to tell kids, or what to tell anybody ultimately, is what true and useful, right? You just don't download random truths, because some truths are not worth knowing at certain moments in life.
I'm not twisting words. She's clearly worried about morality. She wants her son to be a decent human being for society.
Also, he thinks an 18 years old is a child that can't handle the "there's no free will" truth.
Found this thing I got from google during a career fair.
Are you a white male?
If you are, you should ask about the prospects of career progression as a white male, inside Google. You heard they really hate white males.
And if you aren't, you should still ask things related to their affirmative action policies.
"I'm an oppressed minority group, is Google going to do the right thing and pay me proportionally to my oppression points?"
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time to find out if this is explosive or just a firecracker
I think you're being overly charitable with Shapiro, and not at all with Harris. Not my problem though, and I doubt you'd agree to this observation regardless.
I don't think Harris demonstrated the intellectual honesty or depth to deserve respect.
Sam Harris playing the Guilt By Association game.
That's how you burn your reputation to the ground.
Yet he still managed to demonstrate just how silly Shapiros religious views were.
Did he? I guess that's your opinion, so okay.
But again I doubt you agree
You know, I'm making the effort to demonstrate why I think what I think about Sam. I'm not just calling him an idiot, a fraud, or whatever other shallow insult.
The bit about being unable to reconstruct particular religious views if a particular holy book was lost, I found to be quite well reasoned.
I don't think you can accuse somebody of being guilty for talking to somebody "detestable", and keep your moral superiority. It's proof you're being dishonest, poisoning the well.
It was well reasoned, but in what way was it against Shapiro's views?
And you're entitled to your views, I've just not found your arguments convincing (haven't watched the video) but I confess to a certain bias against religion.
He couldn't defend his superstitions beliefs, and yet continues to hold them.
Lul
It's RedPillWhite
but she ain't a White
she's Indian and Jew
so she's a fucks if I knows
this is a very strange and interesting panel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ijFQFiCgoE
Seriously? Is that all you have to say?