Message from @Dubbi

Discord ID: 410430409915236353

2018-02-06 13:33:21 UTC  

prove me wrong

2018-02-06 13:34:59 UTC  

cadavers can't consent

2018-02-06 13:35:26 UTC  

prove me wrong

2018-02-06 13:36:32 UTC  

Consent is the basis for civilization. If consent is denied, rape is wrong, even on private property. This is also why socialism is wrong

2018-02-06 13:37:25 UTC  

you mean there's a *social contract*

2018-02-06 13:37:35 UTC  

and so the individual *cannot come first*

2018-02-06 13:37:39 UTC  

they consent to forfeit their rights when they step foot on private property

2018-02-06 13:37:53 UTC  


2018-02-06 13:38:39 UTC  

Social contract is consent by individuals

2018-02-06 13:39:02 UTC  

so the collective wants to imprison you for what they decided was a crime, and you disagree and do not consent

2018-02-06 13:39:14 UTC  

and it doesn't violate your rights

2018-02-06 13:39:19 UTC  


2018-02-06 13:40:09 UTC  

People consent to the legal structure at the start

2018-02-06 13:40:21 UTC  

no you don't

2018-02-06 13:40:25 UTC  

try to live outside of society

2018-02-06 13:40:31 UTC  

and see if it doesn't constitute an offence

2018-02-06 13:41:31 UTC  

try to - say - take possession of property. what if the collective don't consent? you have no property

2018-02-06 13:42:03 UTC  

otherwise what you do in taking property is an offence against an individual, or society

2018-02-06 13:42:31 UTC  

you have no rights unless the collective *allow* you to have those rights

2018-02-06 13:43:47 UTC  

the social contract is imposed upon you

2018-02-06 13:43:55 UTC  

Uh yeah obviously the collective oppressed people. That's why I'm against all forms of collectivism, including socialism and socialized healthcare

2018-02-06 13:44:49 UTC  

what I'm saying is that not living in a collective is not an option

2018-02-06 13:45:18 UTC  

you can be as opposed as you like, your rights are contingent upon the consent of the collective

2018-02-06 13:45:24 UTC  

in whatever type of society

2018-02-06 13:47:02 UTC  

Not in a libertarian society where everyone consents to the law (for children implied consent until they can make their own choices) if you don't consent you can leave

2018-02-06 13:47:13 UTC  


2018-02-06 13:47:17 UTC  


2018-02-06 13:47:55 UTC  

ok, so let's say you have a libertarian society where it's determined everyone gets their own slice of land except you, and everyone agrees to the way it's divided up (except you, obviously)

2018-02-06 13:47:57 UTC  

where do you go?

2018-02-06 13:48:12 UTC  

you have nowhere to go *to*

2018-02-06 13:48:26 UTC  

you can try and take some land for yourself

2018-02-06 13:48:33 UTC  

but then that's an offence agains the collective, or an idividual

2018-02-06 13:49:19 UTC  

how do you justify an offence against an individual?

2018-02-06 13:49:35 UTC  

The libertarian society would support private property

2018-02-06 13:49:47 UTC  

Through hard hard you could purchase land

2018-02-06 13:50:43 UTC  

so you're suggesting the collective would organise society in such a way that the individual comes first...

2018-02-06 13:50:58 UTC  

...then there is no collective

2018-02-06 13:51:12 UTC  

or there is no individual

2018-02-06 13:51:13 UTC  

it's a paradox

2018-02-06 13:51:40 UTC  

the collective is still determining the right sof the individual in this situation

2018-02-06 13:51:55 UTC  

it's not a contract you can bow out of