well let's assume that we get spine 2 up and running and we're able to streamline data processing... presuming data governance rules allow it, think about the potential for large-scale scientific studies. it would be unparalleled. and it's only possible because the NHS is one company with unilateral control over its own data, rather than a bunch of private companies with closely guarded data gathered from small-scale studies

That's theft of resources. Private companies can do research through voluntary investment and donations

Forcing people to fund unaccountable government research is wrong

well consider what harm it can do. it would be like facebook, but where the data benefits all of mankind rather than turns a profit

and you give the data in exchange for free healthcare

so is it theft?

you also consent

data governance rules for healthcare data are the most stringent rules around

Free healthcare is socialism and theft and arguably slavery. You're not entitled to someone else's labor

this is such a one-track line of thinking that I can only assume you're memeing. presuming you're not, I don't think I could convince you either way, so I'll bow out

Typical socialist, wanting free stuff and forcing me to provide it for you

memeing confirmed 😛

Not an argument

rape is morally justifiable if done on private property

prove me wrong

cadavers can't consent

prove me wrong

Consent is the basis for civilization. If consent is denied, rape is wrong, even on private property. This is also why socialism is wrong

you mean there's a *social contract*

and so the individual *cannot come first*

they consent to forfeit their rights when they step foot on private property

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Social contract is consent by individuals

so the collective wants to imprison you for what they decided was a crime, and you disagree and do not consent

and it doesn't violate your rights

?

People consent to the legal structure at the start

no you don't

try to live outside of society

and see if it doesn't constitute an offence

try to - say - take possession of property. what if the collective don't consent? you have no property

otherwise what you do in taking property is an offence against an individual, or society

you have no rights unless the collective *allow* you to have those rights

the social contract is imposed upon you

Uh yeah obviously the collective oppressed people. That's why I'm against all forms of collectivism, including socialism and socialized healthcare

what I'm saying is that not living in a collective is not an option

you can be as opposed as you like, your rights are contingent upon the consent of the collective

in whatever type of society

Not in a libertarian society where everyone consents to the law (for children implied consent until they can make their own choices) if you don't consent you can leave

pahaha

*leave*