Message from @Dubbi

Discord ID: 410428553516154890

2018-02-06 12:51:23 UTC  

Temporary price to end an immoral socialist system

2018-02-06 12:54:12 UTC  

All socialism needs to end, regardless of how that makes worthless socialists feel


2018-02-06 13:22:01 UTC  

well let's assume that we get spine 2 up and running and we're able to streamline data processing... presuming data governance rules allow it, think about the potential for large-scale scientific studies. it would be unparalleled. and it's only possible because the NHS is one company with unilateral control over its own data, rather than a bunch of private companies with closely guarded data gathered from small-scale studies

2018-02-06 13:23:16 UTC  

That's theft of resources. Private companies can do research through voluntary investment and donations

2018-02-06 13:24:24 UTC  

Forcing people to fund unaccountable government research is wrong

2018-02-06 13:24:41 UTC  

well consider what harm it can do. it would be like facebook, but where the data benefits all of mankind rather than turns a profit

2018-02-06 13:24:55 UTC  

and you give the data in exchange for free healthcare

2018-02-06 13:24:59 UTC  

so is it theft?

2018-02-06 13:25:02 UTC  

you also consent

2018-02-06 13:25:15 UTC  

data governance rules for healthcare data are the most stringent rules around

2018-02-06 13:26:36 UTC  

Free healthcare is socialism and theft and arguably slavery. You're not entitled to someone else's labor

2018-02-06 13:27:37 UTC  

this is such a one-track line of thinking that I can only assume you're memeing. presuming you're not, I don't think I could convince you either way, so I'll bow out

2018-02-06 13:28:20 UTC  

Typical socialist, wanting free stuff and forcing me to provide it for you

2018-02-06 13:28:29 UTC  

memeing confirmed πŸ˜›

2018-02-06 13:29:13 UTC  

Not an argument

2018-02-06 13:33:18 UTC  

rape is morally justifiable if done on private property

2018-02-06 13:33:21 UTC  

prove me wrong

2018-02-06 13:34:59 UTC  

cadavers can't consent

2018-02-06 13:35:26 UTC  

prove me wrong

2018-02-06 13:36:32 UTC  

Consent is the basis for civilization. If consent is denied, rape is wrong, even on private property. This is also why socialism is wrong

2018-02-06 13:37:25 UTC  

you mean there's a *social contract*

2018-02-06 13:37:35 UTC  

and so the individual *cannot come first*

2018-02-06 13:37:39 UTC  

they consent to forfeit their rights when they step foot on private property

2018-02-06 13:37:53 UTC  


2018-02-06 13:38:39 UTC  

Social contract is consent by individuals

2018-02-06 13:39:02 UTC  

so the collective wants to imprison you for what they decided was a crime, and you disagree and do not consent

2018-02-06 13:39:14 UTC  

and it doesn't violate your rights

2018-02-06 13:39:19 UTC  


2018-02-06 13:40:09 UTC  

People consent to the legal structure at the start

2018-02-06 13:40:21 UTC  

no you don't

2018-02-06 13:40:25 UTC  

try to live outside of society

2018-02-06 13:40:31 UTC  

and see if it doesn't constitute an offence

2018-02-06 13:41:31 UTC  

try to - say - take possession of property. what if the collective don't consent? you have no property

2018-02-06 13:42:03 UTC  

otherwise what you do in taking property is an offence against an individual, or society

2018-02-06 13:42:31 UTC  

you have no rights unless the collective *allow* you to have those rights

2018-02-06 13:43:47 UTC  

the social contract is imposed upon you

2018-02-06 13:43:55 UTC  

Uh yeah obviously the collective oppressed people. That's why I'm against all forms of collectivism, including socialism and socialized healthcare

2018-02-06 13:44:49 UTC  

what I'm saying is that not living in a collective is not an option

2018-02-06 13:45:18 UTC  

you can be as opposed as you like, your rights are contingent upon the consent of the collective

2018-02-06 13:45:24 UTC  

in whatever type of society