Message from @Maw

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2018-07-03 17:45:10 UTC  

this can point to different branches in the evolution of morality in certain cultures

2018-07-03 17:46:24 UTC  

What the Jews did in the ancient world was pretty unique, because instead of polytheism where the people would just mirror their own behavior onto that of 'the gods' and the natural world, they came up with the concept of monotheism in which the people were beholden to the singular will of *A* god, in a father-like fashion.

Then they merged that concept with the Greeks and christianity was born in which that God was no longer the same as the natural world, but above it and to be compared against.

That's a huge deal. Comparing the individual to a 'perfect being' in order to orient yourself in the world, versus being at the whim of 'gods' that tend to act like the worst of us.

2018-07-03 17:46:28 UTC  

Some actually outlaw polygamy, last I remember.

2018-07-03 17:46:47 UTC  

I think most western countries outlaw polygamy

2018-07-03 17:46:52 UTC  

but I could be wrong

2018-07-03 17:47:23 UTC  

Why though?

2018-07-03 17:47:29 UTC  

If not for Christianity.

2018-07-03 17:47:43 UTC  

Polygamy creates more violent societies

2018-07-03 17:47:49 UTC  

anyway, have to afk for a while

2018-07-03 17:48:12 UTC  

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2018-07-03 17:49:17 UTC  

The Romans weren't actually too violent, and they certainly were promiscuous. Before the 'but they took over places', they were very, very kind occupiers.

2018-07-03 17:49:35 UTC  

Generally wanted to avoid bloodshed.

2018-07-03 17:49:52 UTC  

You had legions. So they used their violence productively

2018-07-03 17:50:10 UTC  

Last I remember, back during that time, raping and pillaging were morally acceptable.

2018-07-03 17:50:21 UTC  

Not something I heard of the legion doing very often.

2018-07-03 17:50:49 UTC  

It's hard to maintain an empire abroad when you've ransacked the new neighbors

2018-07-03 17:51:32 UTC  

Tell that to how many other armies have taken over places and done the same.

2018-07-03 17:51:38 UTC  

And maintained the same.

2018-07-03 17:51:52 UTC  

See also: Afghanistan

2018-07-03 17:52:47 UTC  

At the time, the Romans were fairly progressive. I've had this argument come up before.

2018-07-03 17:53:18 UTC  

They had volunteers from conquered cities reinforcing their legions.

2018-07-03 17:53:59 UTC  

Yes, which is why they didn't usually ransack new lands, until later in the empire era

2018-07-03 17:54:16 UTC  

probably helped the collapse a bit

2018-07-03 17:54:51 UTC  

Unfortunately, power corrupts.

2018-07-03 18:31:43 UTC  

If only Caesar hadn't gotten shanked

2018-07-03 20:49:37 UTC  

Yes, the roman legions did have *auxillary* of local forces, but to the romans they were more or less meat shields. And it in turn lead to a lot of the issues as the foriegn elements were soon let into the senate and broke the whole system down.

2018-07-04 00:09:45 UTC  

That's... sort of just the whole concept of a vanguard.

2018-07-04 00:23:38 UTC  

There were plenty of native auxilliaries that the Romans respected. The Romans had little of a cavalry or archery tradition, so they were quite welcoming to native auxilliaries that could take care of those problems.

2018-07-04 00:28:30 UTC  

@Somi hi again

2018-07-04 01:58:44 UTC  

i think with that meme, capitalism shoe is a bit higher

2018-07-04 01:59:01 UTC  

maybe there's a car jack helping lift it up a bit (economic growth let them invent it)

2018-07-04 01:59:09 UTC  

or you could just replace 'capitalism' with neoliberalism

2018-07-04 02:17:20 UTC  

"Stop being so smart because these other people aren't as smart and we can't meet our ethnicity quota. It's absolute cancer." >> Later someone responds with: "I just used your Affirmitive action argument, and made a hardline liberal rage quit in five minutes or less. IRL." <:pepe_smile:378719407977005068>

2018-07-04 02:30:51 UTC  
2018-07-04 02:48:55 UTC  

The sad thing is, somebody needs to legit save the Dems from spiraling down into irrelevance.

2018-07-04 02:49:19 UTC  

Because we know there are lunatics in the Republicans too.

2018-07-04 02:52:29 UTC  

The country needs democrats.

2018-07-04 02:52:53 UTC  

In much the same was as it needs republicans. Or at least some kind of opposition.

2018-07-04 02:53:38 UTC  

The crazy repubs are already dying off in the party. Another party will replace the dems